Tampa City Council Transcripts

Welcome to Tampa city council on this cool, crisp fall day in Tampa, Florida. I would like to have a roll call, please. We'll do the invocation first. Guido, do you want to do the invocation?

Thank you very much. It is my pleasure to welcome Tyler Wilcox. Tyler Wilcox is an 8th grade principal's honor roll student at Rampello Downtown Partnership K-8. He attends Greater Beth-el Missionary Baptist Church. He is an active member of the Youth Ministry as well as the Audio Video Ministry. Tyler's most treasured prayer before bed is the lord's prayer, which he learned at the age of 3. his favorite subjects are science and math. And in his spare time, tyler enjoys playing video games, reading, playing chess, and hanging out with family and friends. His hobbies are building with legos -- very good -- problem solving crossword puzzles and picture pieces puzzles, and coding. Tyler's favorite sports are soccer, golf, football, and basketball. One of tyler's future goals is to become an aeronautical engineer. I believe he is here with his grandmother, Carrie Jackson, yes, ma'am. His mother is our very own Tonia Wilcox right here in our office. Tyler, please come up and please stand for the invocation. Let us pray. Heavenly father, we come before you this morning with humble hearts. Thank you for allowing us to see another one of your beautiful days. As we begin this Tampa city council meeting, we lift up each council member and city staff to you. Grant each council member wisdom and integrity so that all their decisions are guided by fairness, honesty, and a sincere desire for the common good. Bless the city of tampa's citizens, those present here this morning and those unable to attend. Give each council member listening ears to listen with respect, to act with justice, and to build bridges of understanding across our very backgrounds -- varied backgrounds and perspectives. May their actions today and every day exhibit unity, kindness, and the faith that together we can create a vigorous and inclusive community. Protect those who serve our great city in every capacity as they work tirelessly to make our city a better place. Lastly, heavenly father, we pray for all the individuals that are being affected by the government shutdown. Provide for the individuals and their families during this crisis. Please soften the hearts of our president and the leaders in congress to put away their divisive ideologies and allow them to enter into a mutual agreement that is beneficial for all citizens. That the government shutdown comes to an immediate end. Father, let your will be done and May your presence guide us now and always. In his mighty name, amen. [pledge of allegiance]

Hey, Mom, I think that deserves a hug.

I don't know. I think you should be the person who chooses invocation. That's two in a row.

That was a great invocation.

Can he come up?

Come on up. You should be so proud.

I talked to him before, he will probably be head of Spacex or something like that in the future. We need to make sure that happens.

Very good. Okay. Now, we'll do our roll call.

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We have a physical quorum.

Thank you so much. Okay. Councilman Viera, you're up. Ceremony. Like to recognize Councilman Viera for our ceremonial activity.

Got a lot here. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have some really special guests here today. We have General Remo Butler who I'll be introducing and giving his background and Roy Caldwood. Before we have a one minute short film with highlights from -- we have Diane Royer who is here. Roy's wonderful daughter. We have a film, if you all don't mind playing it, with short highlights.

Cctv, can you roll the tape, please? [music]

Thank you for that very much and thank you to cctv for that and so forth. We are here for veterans day, which is in about a week and a half. We unfortunately couldn't do it the following week. I thank council for accommodating us. Roy and his family will be going to the caribbean. He's 103 years old and going to the caribbean. I don't know if he'll train freedom fighters. He is a very active man. I want to go into the background. Mr. Caldwood is 103-year-old buffalo solder who fought and served in world war ii with 92nd Regimen. Roy is originally from Harlem. Born in 1922. imagine, 1922, about 50 years after the end of reconstruction, 65 or so years after the end of the civil war when Roy was born in Harlem, he grew up with people who would flee the south as part of the great migration. 6 million african americans who would flee terror and lynching in the south and go to places like Harlem, like Detroit, like Philadelphia, different cities in California and so forth. That was the world that Roy would grow up in. He would ultimately serve in world war ii, and he would serve in the famous 92nd Regimen as a Buffalo Soldier. It's remarkable not only that he is still with us, but he still has so much vigor. Roy is involved. He does push-ups. He does exercises. He volunteers for political campaigns. He shot a video for me about voting last presidential election. He would serve in Italy in Purple Heart Alley that was given the name because of the many injuries and fatalities that occurred there in Italy and for his valor he would be given the bronze star. Decorated world war ii combat veteran who is here with us today. He is very, very active. We have here General Remo Butler, a man who I met. General, we met --

General Butler, it's interesting to me because Roy Caldwood is the bridge to General Butler and General Butler a bridge to many post 9/11, black, minority veterans today. General Butler is the first black officer in the Special Forces to make the rank of brigadier general. Born in Mississippi. Grew up in military family. His father served for three decades in the United States Military becoming a command sergeant major. He served in uniform beginning towards the end of the vietnam era and continuing forward to several years after September 11th. He retired in 2004 as chief of staff in the u.s. Special Operations Command of macDill air force base in South Tampa. He would take great pride in being a bridge builder and dream maker for so many people, especially including black officers in the United States Military. He is passionate about history from the first individual christmas, killed in the revolutionary war, a black soldier. He is very, very passionate about that. It is our great honor to have these great american heroes with us. I wanted these two wonderful men who mean so much to us today, they are history. They are history connected to today, and their stories, I submit, mean a lot to us today. American history. Black history, veteran history. So I want these two men to come up. Let's first give these great american heroes a round of applause. [ applause ] who wants to go first? It's an honor for me. Something looking forward to because I never thought I would live this long. I'm surprised to be alive, number one. Many times I thought I was gone, many, many times. So I'm happy to be here. I'm only sorry that none of my good buddies and the ones that I served with are here with me to enjoy this day. I don't know what I can tell you. What I'll tell you is that when world war ii broke out, I thought about it. I had a choice. Hitler, mussolini or united states. It was an easy choice. The day when I -- I was looking at about 50 german prisoners who gave themselves freely to us, I looked at them, and I said, these guys in a short while, they will be in the united states and able to go places, do things that I will never do because of my color. And for me to be standing here now, never, never, ever thought I would be able to do just what -- if they are alive now, that they can do. But as I said, it was an experience. It was a pleasure to experience. I'll put it to you that way. I found the freedom in italy that I did not find where I came from. I never thought I would see a day like this. But I learned a lot and I try to share what I learned with everyone I meet. I don't know what I can tell you guys, but I'm happy to be here. As I said, I learned a lot, and I'll do everything I can to help those who are here working today and letting them know the freedom we fought for, we know that freedom is not free. You have to keep your eyes open and protected all the time. I will do my best to protect what I have and what I hope for my grandchildren and great grandchildren and all the others, for them to have an even better time than I have had. And I've had a gorgeous, wonderful time. And god has been good to me. I'm in good health. I don't know how I can do 40 push-ups.

I think you should close by challenging Councilman Viera to a push-up. Councilman Viera, drop and give me 20. [ laughter ] I'm waiting.

Councilman Viera, we're waiting. Right Here. In Front of --

In front of god and everybody. [ applause ] it's a pleasure to be here, especially for veterans day.

State your name for the record. Veterans day holds a lot of significance for me. As you can tell, maybe, I'm a little older. I grew up in a time when Soldiers, Veterans, Sailors were vilified. Come to College Campuses and come back today some years later. Hey, thank you for your service. Thank you for your service. You don't realize what that means to a person until you've been in my shoes and have done what I've done. Why do we have Veterans? Veterans don't become Veterans to get rich. We don't become Veterans because we get the best medical care. We become Veterans because there's something inside of us that says we are servants of all and we'll serve our country. Right now, I hate to see the divisiveness of this country. And we talk about Veterans. Yes, you have bad Veterans. You have racist Veterans, so on and so forth. Let me tell you something, I don't know how many people remember the draft. That was one of the best things for getting people together. If you didn't know somebody, it was easy to dislike them. When you know them, when you eat with them, drink with them, hard to dislike them.

You have to face -- things like this to come and speak in front of people. I do a lot of mentoring. A Friend of Mine came back last week, he was 72 years old, in tears, and he's thanking me for how I helped him. That is what we are here for. Too many times we forget that our job is to, what? Put our hand up and pull somebody up. Thank you for the opportunity to come here. Congressman Viera, thank you very much. [ laughter ]

Got one more stop before that. [ applause ]

We have Tampa City Council commendations for these two amazing americans for what they have done. Also wanted to give them something that I think is very meaningful. This is a picture of somebody named Henry Johnson from the 369th Regimen. The Harlem Hell Fighters and world war I. He fought off about 19 germans with the butt of his rifle and a knife. He was barely honored by our country. Die ten years after world war I from war-related injuries. France would honor him, but 80 years later, President Barack Obama would give this man the medal of honor he deserved, far after his death and he is buried at Arlington. I want to give it to these two men because of what the history means to them and to all of us in the year 2025. god help us if we ever forget. Thank you very much. Let's give them another round of applause. [ applause ]

Gentlemen, on behalf of a grateful City Council and I think I speak for everybody when I say that people like you this generation and future generation, we stand on the shoulders of giants. So many people owe you all so much of every part of our life. I have two beautiful kids. I have a granddaughter. I have a good life. But that life, like you said, didn't come by free. It came from people willing to stand up and fight for the United States of America and fight for all americans. Especially proud that you, especially during a period of time of really hardship and a dark time in the united states history that you stood up and fought for a country that maybe in many parts of the country didn't respect you all as equal parts. But the fact that you are here today and knowing that you fought for me just as much as you fought for your family, I am gratefully and deeply appreciative of your service and what you have provided for my life. Thank you so much. [ applause ] now it's picture time. I'm still waiting for those push-ups. Very good. Now we'll have a roll call, but we do know Councilman Viera is here -- did we do a roll call? I don't remember that. Oh, my gosh. I guess I need to sleep in a motel 6 last night. We'll move on to number 2. staff. Brandon made me promise because he's got two interns in the house that I would be nice to him today. Brandon, would you like to introduce your interns?

Yes. We would like to introduce the Interns.

Come on up.

Good morning, council. Brandon Campbell, interim director of the Mobility Department. We have two interns here with us this morning. I would like to allow them to introduce themselves. I'm doing my masters in Urban Planning. Excited to be here and see what is going on.

When you are in City Council Chambers, you always start by stating your full name.

Okay. Now we know how to find you. I'm Aniah Nelson. Going into my second year at Usf with my masters in Urban and Regional Planning.

Thank you very much. Welcome to City Council.

We're here to talk about Item Number 2, our second workshop on our multimodal fees in the discussion about extraordinary circumstances. I have a few people here that are going to help present or help with some materials and q & a as needed. First, we've got Catherine Tellus with our consultant. She prepared the materials and has been working diligently on updating the formula and providing figures for your consideration. Adam Purcell, our interim director of transportation services, who has been managing this project for the department. Then we have Emma Gregory to answer any legal questions that might come up. With that, I will invite Catherine to come up and to start us off with the presentation. For the record, I will invite emma to come up and kick off our presentation.

It's that kind of morning. Good morning, council. Emma Gregory, Legal Department. I'll give an even more brief overview of the legal framework of the impact fee statute.

Can we pause for a second? Just came to my attention that we need to do agenda review before we complete business. Council agenda review, two items that I'm aware of. Item Number 5 is request to continue.

We have a request from Councilman Carlson and second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Move to approve the agenda.

Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. And second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Sorry for the delay. I'll give a very brief overview of the impact fee statute and kind of where we are in the process. As Brandon said, we are here for the second workshop to consider whether extraordinary circumstances exist. We had our first workshop on September 25th and we ran a newspaper notice of that just to make sure we really got the notice out that is above and beyond the statutory requirements. Anyway, so section 163.31801 florida statutes authorizes local governments to impose impact fees. The City of Tampa has a multimodal impact fee which we did a study on and implemented, instituted in 2014. so there are a couple of ways and restrictions on how to increase an impact fee. It can only be increased once every four years. We have to have a study to back it up. There are quite a few statutory requirements that we have to bring to you before we could adopt an ordinance increasing the fee. There are also phase and limitations. There are a few different categories. 0 to 25 percent increase category. There is the 26 to 49 percent increase category. And then the statute actually says we can't increase fees over 50%, however it then provides a path to increase them. That's why we're holding the extraordinary circumstances workshop. To increase a fee over 50 percent, we have to have a demonstrated needs study, which we've prepared. We have to have two workshops to consider whether extraordinary circumstances exist. And then the City Council would have to approve any ordinance increasing the fee by two-thirds vote, and then starting January 1st, some of those requirements will change. That is the overview of where we are today. If you have any questions now or later, we'll be here.

Councilman Carlson.

We got an e-mail this morning, I'll paraphrase, said that there was not due notice with enough Backup Information. You said we had met the Regulatory Guidelines. Do you feel like we did that in providing all the Backup Information that was requested by Party?

I have a question, more of a statement for council to consider. You look at these requests, I really would -- as we spoke yesterday on the briefing, if we're going to do this, I would like to be able to utilize these fees as incentive for development around our transit corridors. So if someone is building higher density development, a transit corridor, be able to reduce the impact fees to incentivize that development. I know that you looked at some of that, but I would like to see it more for higher density development and reduced impact fees. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Maybe with some affordable housing?

Maybe. It is the carrot and the stick approach. Too often we end up using the stick. This would be a great carrot and be able to incentivize Developers to develop to a density that will support our long-term goals of land development in the City of Tampa. I would very much appreciate from now until then if you could pursue that or look at that or look at other examples in other municipalities and counties of how they have done that and how it can be incorporated into this process. Councilman Carlson.

We are all out in the community all the time. One thing I hear across the board, Republicans or Democrats, is the people who are here, especially the people who have been Here for a long time, don't want to pay the cost of people who are moving Here. They see the impact on infrastructure, and they don't think that people moving Here are paying their fair share. This is a way -- potential way of helping people who are moving Here to pay their own costs instead of taxing the people that are already here.

Very good. Does that complete it for Staff?

We did have a powerpoint presentation uploaded for today, which Catherine is here to go through.

Start with your name. I'm Catherine Tellus, principal transportation planner with Fehr and Peers. Good morning. So this morning, we're going to provide an overview of the City's multimodal transportation impact fee update and discuss the extraordinary circumstances related to the update. Since this is our second time before you and we have new information, we would like to share, we'll go through the first part that we shared last time at a fairly high level. An impact fee is assessed by a local government on new development to fund the cost of public infrastructure improvements needed to accommodate that development. Fees are typically paid at the time of building permit issuance and are designed to offset the financial impact a new development has on public infrastructure. This fee would only apply to new developments or redevelopments that intensify development on a site. It would not apply to existing residents. So the purpose of the impact fee is to ensure that existing residents do not pay for the infrastructure that is needed to support that new development. So since it is the one-time impact fee that's only used to fund transportation, there are other fees that the City can impose. The fee also needs to be proportionate to the impact on the transportation system. So the impact fee has been around in Tampa since the mid 1980s when the fee was first established. The fees that are currently in place were established in 1989. while the program was transitioned to a multimodal impact fee in 2014, the fee schedule itself has not changed since 1989. so this current update keeps the same general parameters of the 2014 fee program, but really updates the math behind all of the different components. Also just want to highlight that developers pay for transportation system improvements for their projects in a variety of ways. One of them being through the multimodal impact fee. The second being through mitigation fees, and the third being through construction of improvements in their site and around their site boundaries within the public right-of-way. So as emma had mentioned, some of the legislature -- the legislature has recognized the impact fees are an important source of revenue for local governments to fund infrastructure necessitated by new growth. However, these fees they do come with certain restrictions and requirements which we are incorporating into this update. One of them being that the fee cannot be used to fix existing deficiencies on the transportation system. There are also some of the phase-in limitations of how much a fee can be increased at any one time, unless a finding of extraordinary circumstances are made. And there are several things that need to occur to make this finding. So the first being the preparation of a demonstrated need study. The second is holding at least two publicly noticed workshops dedicated to these extraordinary circumstances. And then the third is that the impact fee update needs to be approved by at least a two-thirds vote of the governing body. So the first item on the list is the demonstrated need study. What extraordinary circumstances are leading to the demonstrated need here? So there are a number of them and we'll go through them. It's sort of not any one of these individually leads to those extraordinary circumstances. It is this cumulative effect of not having increased the fee in many decades, construction inflation and a host of other things that we'll go through. So the first is the fee has not been updated since 1989. that is a pretty long time. There are a lot of people in this room who were not even born yet. So that loss to just overall inflation in terms of the building power of the impact fee. And then just the construction cost escalation. Construction costs have increased at a significantly higher pace than overall inflation, meaning that for every dollar that's collected in the multimodal fee, every year it is building less and less transportation system facilities. Third is that there's significant population and jobs increases on the horizon on top of all of the growth that's already occurred. While the city has been able to effectively manage the transportation system with the new onslaught of development, it's important to set the fee at a level where developers can pay their fair share. There is the increasing demand on the transportation system. Congestion is increasing. We're sort of at this tipping point without additional funds. Other funding sources are declining and increasingly uncertain. Gas tax revenues are declining. Sales tax measure was not passed. Other sources May be out there, but they are very uncertain. And the ones that we do know of are on the decline. Also just wanted to note that as a comparison, other jurisdictions have already started to increase their fees, so the city of tampa is really just not keeping up with some of the peer communities. Conclusion on the extraordinary circumstances, as I noted, it's not just one of these items that's leading to the demonstrated need. It is the combination of all of these factors. Compounded just by the amount of growth that's projected over the next 20 years. Now that we've reviewed the extraordinary circumstances, we're going to change gears a little bit to sort of discuss the components of the multimodal fee. You'll start to see more of this in some upcoming presentations that we'll deliver. So at a high level, it's pretty simple. We've got to figure out what is the demand for transportation from new developments, how much does it cost to build the transportation infrastructure needed to support those developments. We want to be careful not to have double taxation so we factored in what those new residents and employees and shoppers might pay in gas tax as they go to visit those different land uses. And then we do the math. Sounds pretty simple, but there are a lot of details behind some of the individual calculations. So on the trip generation side, we look at how many trips a land use might develop. So the prior fee was based on travel patterns that were documented mostly sort of pre-- or in the 1980s, 1990 time periods. So we're updating all of those based on more recent data. And in the last 30, 40 years, how and why people travel have significantly changed. So we're seeing some nuances there. For example, an office development. We've been seeing since the late '90s, early 2000s, pretty steady declines in daily trip generation rates for office buildings. This is even before covid and the work from home phenomenon. But employers are becoming increasingly more flexible. The advent of e-mails back in the late 1990s, 2000s, it did minimize some travel and other things. So we're just seeing trip generation patterns evolving. And this is happening sort of across the board. We're also quantifying the trip length. How far are people willing to travel for different types of things? So we've established different trip lengths for different trip purposes. So if you're going to a gas station, convenience store, you're not going to travel very far out of your way for those types of trips. You might not even really deviate from your travel path because you're probably not going to stop off to get gas unless you are already on your way someplace else. We kind of factored in those trip lengths and then the percent of new trips within the overall calculations. Then on the cost side, we need to figure out, how much does it actually cost to build some of the new transportation system infrastructure? So there are a number of different components to the cost. You need to design the improvements to meet current standards. In some instances you May need to acquire right-of-way. Then you need to construct it and then also some transit costs that we've included as well. And then just want to highlight here, what are some of the things that can actually be built from the fee? We put together this list that highlights all of the different elements of the transportation system that can be constructed with the multimodal fee. This includes new roads. Intersection modifications, new bridges or grade separations, and some of these bridges that could be a pedestrian only, bicyclist only bridge, right-of-way acquisition. We know when a road is widened or modified, there could be some utilities or drainage improvements that need to be made to accommodate that road construction. We can also fund way-finding, new traffic signals. The capital cost of installing those new signals, even some park-and-ride lots and some transit features. So putting in a bus shelter or a queue jump lane to increase the productivity of transit. As we wrap up today, just want to highlight things that are not subject to the fee. If you are just doing a minor modification on your house, redeveloping on a parcel and not intensifying the overall land use, you would not be subject to the fee. It also does not apply to government buildings like an elementary school or fire station. And then there's also going to be a process developed to sort of account for the specific needs in the community. Some reductions for affordable housing and other types of land uses that The City might like to incentivize. I know the big question on everybody's mind, what are the overall fee increases look like? We're wrapping up the draft calculations and brandon is going to share a couple in a minute here or so. But I just want to say there's not one size fits all. It really does differ based on where you are within The City, because we have six different impact fee districts. It also depends on the type of land use. As I alluded to earlier, there's been a lot of changes in how different land uses function. Another example is just in warehousing, light industrial, we're now seeing a lot of things more automated, so there are fewer people in a warehouse that might be commuting. So we're seeing a lot of those travel patterns really change. From here, we'll be working on finalizing the fee calculations and nexus study shared in the next week or so for your review. That would be adopted over two hearings. I'll hand it over to you.

We have some questions. Do you want to stop here and then continue? Councilwoman Hurtak, followed by Maniscalco and Carlson.

Thank you. If we could go back to the what can we build slide? In upgrading traffic signals, can we add left-turn arrows?

It's like a huge. I'm just thinking about the kinds of things that People have been asking for. So we are able to add those types of changes. We can't -- and it sounds like here we could upgrade our traffic signals to more modern technology. One of the limitations of the overall fee is that it can only be used for capital costs and it can only be used on infrastructure that has a life span greater than five years.

Okay. Requirements, it could not necessarily be used to fund a retiming that would require people to go out in the field. That's not really a capital cost but it could fund Traffic Signal Controllers, Signal Heads, Software Programs, as long as they have a life span greater than five years. So those are just things that will need to be determined on a case-by-case basis.

Because I think that's one of the things. Number one, you have new roadways and widening of roadways. Quite frankly, we don't have the land to do that. You talked about acquisition of right-of-way. Acquisition of Right-of-way would be insanely expensive in a City that has less than 4% open land left. I know we can build but the reality of that is slim to none. What else can we do? I just want people to right set expectations for some of the things we can do. But this is really wonderful. It's very thorough. I greatly appreciate it.

Councilman Maniscalco.

Several questions. First, on item number 4, what can we build? I heard you say at the beginning of the presentation, this will not go towards existing deficiencies. But then I see what can we build, new or upgrading of existing drainage facilities in conjunction with Roadway Construction. To me, Roadway Construction could be grading, milling, and paving a street, not tearing it up and digging. Would this apply to -- that's an existing deficiency, a Roadway Construction to me is paving a street or going through and having to do some kind of improvements to an existing street, would this apply to that? It would be if the improvement adds person trip capacity. If you are widening a sidewalk or adding a sidewalk where there isn't one that adds person trip capacity to the system or if you are able to add a bike lane or something that increases the overall effective capacity of that piece of infrastructure.

You would be able to add a bike lane or if you build a sidewalk and in that sidewalk, obviously, you have a curb and then you have a storm drain. I'm not an attorney, but I think -- there is your caveat, caveat, caveat that you can, you know, meet the requirement -- or meet what you put here, you know, in regards to roadway construction. This could go to drainage improvements. Existing areas because now you are putting a curb, a sidewalk. Like you said. So that's that. Item Number 10 of what we can build. New sidewalks. I know the sidewalk in lieu of fee was increased recently, but this can go to, as it says here clearly, new sidewalks and widening of existing sidewalks. I know we've seen widening on Highland in Seminole Heights. They re-did the section of road, Martin Luther King. So that's good. That will go to that. My other question is, what is this going to cost? Because in speaking to a Gentleman in the community, I heard it's going to be $50,000 more when you build a new house. I said, well, that's insane if that's true because if we're looking at housing affordability, see, I have concerns with interest rates being cut. I'm thinking back to 2019 before covid when interest rates were lower, went into covid, there was a buying frenzy here and cost of housing skyrocketed where so many people were priced out. Now the last several years talking about Housing Affordability. Is it going to be that impactful, that amount, that much of an increase that we're just defeating the Housing Affordability? Somebody said 50,000. Then I'm looking at the chart, depending on what section of the city you are in, I see it's 6,000, 10,000, 5,000, that it's not a huge number. Also, at the beginning of this presentation, we are addressing the transportation fee only, right? It's not a huge number. Again, you have this draft copy here with all the numbers of the different sections of the city. A single-family detached 1500 to 2499 square feet, goes from, let's see, interbay district, 1707 to 7700 dollars. Looking at $6,000 increase. Not a $50,000 increase. Or university north district, that is a 10,000 plus dollar increase for the same house. Westshore district, going up about 4500 bucks. It's not 50 grand. We're looking at much smaller numbers.

Councilman Maniscalco, all that stuff is Preliminary.

I know. Huge Number and I wanted clarification.

I did want to clarify, as Catherine mentioned --

Wait until the second part of the presentation. Councilman Carlson and then let you continue. Councilman Carlson.

Thank you. In one of the previous slides, you have seven justifications for this. I wish we could add an 8th and maybe it can be worded in a way that you could add it. One of the issues, when I started on council seven years ago, one of the biggest complaints I heard is that the roads are maxed out and more development coming. The council at the time asked the question, well, aren't there concurrency laws? We were told yes. We said, how come they are still able to build? We were told some City Council 20 years before had passed a Transportation Concurrency Exception area. I asked the question, well, how big is that? The answer was the entire City. People gasped. When I talk about this in the community, people gasp. One of the reasons why the City is jammed is that we have a Transportation Concurrency Exception in the whole City. At that point, there was a lot of political chaos and the Developers fought really hard not to change that. A way to maybe word an 8th one would be we otherwise might have to remove the Transportation Concurrency Exception which would be an incentive for everyone to agree to slightly higher fees here. Because the public doesn't understand why we're putting 40,000 units or whatever south of Gandy but we're not improving any of the roads or providing any way out. The other thing council member or Chair Clendenin mentioned, incentives for certain kinds of things, I wonder -- this is skipping ahead. If we provide incentives, one of the biggest hurdles is my oldest son is 23. he was looking at the market. Impossible to buy anything because it is so expensive. The biggest hurdle for people is the first-time home buyers. If we provide any kind of incentive, I would rather provide it on the individual point instead of for the Developers. People are tired of giving incentives to the developer. Maybe give an incentive, maybe through the developer but for a first-time home buyer, once somebody's buy a house, presuming the value of the house goes up, they have equity in a homestead exemption that they can roll into another house. Getting over the hurdle of buying the first home is difficult for most people now. Thank you.

Okay. Continue.

So we did provide an updated table, paper copy.

Wolf up, please. It's coming. It had the same bad night's sleep I had.

I can at least speak to it.

For the public presentation as well. There we go.

As you can imagine across six different districts and many different land use types, the matrix that we would point to for specific use cases in specific areas grows pretty large. So we have provided a summary of ranges of that calculated maximum ceiling that you all would likely be considering over the coming month or so. The line highlighted in orange there is what the results of the calculated cost of the additional demand on the transportation system that we would expect under a new development. And to Councilman Maniscalco's question, I did want to make sure that it is clear. I think Catherine mentioned, but these only come into effect when there is a change in the intensity of land use. So it's calculated and assessed at permit issuance. If someone is moving into the area into an existing house that does not necessarily impact them at that point, depending on how and when that house was constructed.

Councilwoman Hurtak.

I see some Builders here today, so I'm going to ask -- change of land use means if it is an Empty Lot but a single-family, would building a new house on the single-family Empty Lot trigger this or not?

If it's an infill development where there was no house before, then yes.

If it is an older house that was torn down and is being replaced by yet one more single house, that would not.

Correct.

But if Someone took a Single House and put a duplex on it.

Yes, that is an increase in the intensity of land use.

Thank you. Just a comment for the future. Orange highlight, completely impossible to see.

Understood. Thank you.

I have to step out for one moment.

It is. We could do Miami Dolphins in a bit of a lighter shade.

We are happy to brief you individually on the larger matrix as desired and as needed. And to come back to accommodate any discussion in Chambers as well. I don't know if Emma wanted to mention anything else about the remaining schedule, but given the legislative framework that we're working within, I think she mentioned at the beginning, should council wish to increase it above that 50% threshold, it does need to happen before the end of this calendar year. That will be for you all to discuss and decide.

Ms. Gregory. This extraordinary workshop circumstance consideration, it doesn't lock you into anything. I think we'll likely come back to Chambers to seek some more guidance from you all and then we would bring the ordinance back for one or two readings and the ability to increase it in any of the other phase-in limitations is certainly also on the table.

Quick question here. These are some really large numbers, but we also are aware of the fact that due to state statute we cannot increase them more than 50%. If we do, it has to phase in over four years, if I got that right. If not, correct me. If you could kind of explain that with pulling the wolf back up so people could take a look at see. Any increase -- let me make sure I'm saying this correctly. So an increase from zero to 25 percent has to be done in two annual installments. An increase from 26 to 49 percent is four equal increments. And then the law as it is currently written at 50% or more increase could be immediately phased in. Starting January 1st, there is -- there is a change to the law that will require four equal installment. It could be four annual installments. Let me double check that. Yeah, it will institute a phase-in procedure starting January 1. that's also something that we could elect to do ourselves. I can write that into the ordinance.

So I think -- you said you are planning to meet with us individually about this. I think I would add that to the question of how do you see Phasing. I do understand that we have a large jump to make, but I also believe that Phasing is not a bad idea. I will listen to my colleagues on that. Councilman Maniscalco.

Phasing it in, we haven't touched these since 1989 when I started kindergarten. And here we are. I want to throw that out there. Some people weren't born. I was born. I was five. Phasing it in, 50% sounds like a big number, and it is a big number. Why not do it at smaller increments. We haven't touched it since 1989, number one. The concerns I have, the cost of land in Tampa has gone up. Cost of construction materials, tariff discussion, which I think the Supreme Court takes up next week. We'll see if upheld or struck down. I don't know. Everything is becoming more expensive. We're up here trying to combat the housing affordability. Interest rates are coming down, which means cheaper money in the market overall. As I mentioned earlier. But if you look at what we can do with these fees, you know, as Councilman Carlson said at the beginning of the discussion, people that are living here are concerned on all sides of the aisle of we don't want to pay for all these new people coming here. We've been paying taxes our whole lives, whatever. But as my questions were answered earlier of drainage improvements, sidewalks, so much good can come out of this, then this is something that if it is a reasonable phasing in, it's something that I'd be open to supporting and, of course, we hear from everybody else in the public. Delay for essentially the effective date. We could phase it in over, say, four years. But then also if council adopts the ordinance, there is also a 90-day waiting period before we could start assessing that new fee on the new permits coming in.

My next question is, what is the next step? What do you need from this council to move forward today? I think if we came back and we got direction from council moving one way or the other, I would incorporate some of what we discussed at these past two workshops in the ordinance, and there would be findings included in that ordinance, and then by adopting that ordinance, you would also be adopting those findings.

Our Lawyer is not here right now. Public comment but also trying to figure out direction, if that means timing or whatever.

One other context I'm sure everybody knows this, but I've been to two conferences in the last three weeks at the state level. There's going to be some -- it looks like there's going to be some kind of property tax reform, and there are different versions of it, doing away with property tax completely for homeowners or seniors or reducing it across the board. They are telling us that the polls show that if it goes on the ballot as a constitutional amendment, it will be 76% people want to vote for it. And the Cfo says don't let cities tell you that it's going to hurt Police and Fire. As we all know, the property tax altogether don't even pay all of Police and Fire, and so it will potentially have an impact on that. There are ways that The City is wasting money, and I'm fighting hard to try to reduce those, but this is a way that we can directly help make people who are moving here pay the costs that they are bringing to our City. Thank you.

Councilman Viera.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Building on something Councilman Carlson touched on, it is a sad state of affairs for us. A couple of years ago, imagine where our communities would be if we could have kept that aft tax that passed in 2018, over $300 million a year. Back then, probably 400 million a year, to put in roads, mass transit and that's all gone. And because of that, we're looking at solutions like this, which are great, right? But, man, like I always say, this is half a chicken nugget and we missed the mcRib. That is the challenge with us. Now the stuff coming down from Florida is awful, awful. I'm all for property tax reform, mend it, don't end it. Take care of the extremes and tame the excesses but what people are doing is looking at defunding the revenue sources that we have for Public Safety as well as roads, as well as our Public Schools. If you care about our Public Schools, they are coming after that. And they continue to come after that. Again, this is great stuff, but it's just a shame. It's a shame that we have to rely so much upon this, including for the future. We're better than that. That's all.

Chicken mcNugget and mcRib. I think you need that quote put in gold on the wall in your office. Speaking of great quotes, Councilman Miranda.

I haven't spoken much because I have a sore throat coming on, but I've been listening. This is something that has got to be addressed quickly. I hear different council members say different things. I agree with some of it at some point. But what I'm looking at is that if these things have not been addressed since 1989 and now we're in 2025, 35 or 36 years ago. For me to sit here and say that I'm not going to increase it to the point where we're even, because if we don't do that, the taxpayers that are living now are paying the burdensome amount of the cost of doing business for that period of time, whatever that period of time is. I think the line has been drawn in the sand. I'm looking very carefully on the whole spectrum -- single-family, multifamily, office, retail, and industrial. When you look at that and comes out at you, the numbers for the comparison with Hillsborough County Urban, City of Orlando, Downtown, City of Orlando, others and Orange County Urban. We're far behind. And so I would stress that we should address this today, sometime in the future, as close as possible. Because when you look at the numbers like this, it just stands out. If this was your bank account, what would you do if you were banking at one bank and the other banks are giving more interest. You would move your bank account to that bank to get more interest. It is a logical thing. This is not a business deal. This is a deal for equity to make sure that we do not fall continuously behind and keep asking for other things from the taxpayers that are here to those that are coming in. Is that going to solve the problem? To some point it will, about you is it going to hurt development? I don't think so. I just don't think so. Because they know that people moving in, listen, these condos sold in downtown tampa in the hundreds of millions of dollars. 80 million, 25 million. They don't ask what the cost of doing this. They just want what they want. Is it like that in the whole district of the city? No. also the prices what you're buying is different. These things equate to fairness, to the wealth or not the wealth of the individual, but it has a criteria by which -- if I had long heels and set them in, and say stop this and let's go the other way, that's all I'll say for now. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Councilman Miranda. Are you finished with your presentation? If so, we'll go to Public Comment. Mr. Shelby, could you please read the rules for Public Comment?

Yes. After the end of each item, The Public shall have the opportunity to speak. Please sign a sheet outside if you plan on speaking. It is three minutes per subject of the workshop. General Public comment is not taken at a workshop meeting. Please confine your comments to the subject matter that is being sought relative to the workshop. Thank you.

If you wish to speak on Item Number 2, only Item Number 2, please approach the podium. If you are not the first person up, you can stand against the wall. Anybody here to speak on Item 2? start with your name, please. Mentesnot. Uhuru means freedom in swahili. We as african people should always be thinking about our freedom because for the last 825 years, 52 generations we hadn't been free. I would like to speak specifically on Item Number 2 as instructed by the City Attorney. I would like to say that I think that the City Council should expand -- expend sensitivities energy and time and take some of the resources or some of the funds that's generated from Item Number 2 and put it towards seeing if there are rigged elections in District Five. I think the City Council should take -- [ sounding gavel ]

Excuse me. Out of order. You heard from the presentation what the District Funds are allowed for. I'm talking about Item Number 2. [ sounding gavel ]

I'm not going to argue with you. You are out of order. Thank you for stopping the time. We'll start your time again. Thank you. Of its funds and resources and revenues generated from item number 2 and do some sensitivity training towards letting the City council members know to stick to the script just as they want the general public stick to the script and don't raise issues of chicken mcRib, chicken nugget and other things and then tell the public they can't articulate the way they want to. You guys do discriminatory practices live and in person and have no objection to doing it. And you are out of control. But what I'm saying is, I'm going to stick to the script, which is item number 2. the City should take some of the resources generated by item number 2 and see how, Naya Young, got a 300% increase in the votes.

Mr. Daniels, once again I'm going to rule you out of order. This has nothing to do with the special election. This is about increasing our impact fees. If you would like to speak to that item, I will allow you to continue. If you don't, I would ask you to sit down and wait for the next item. What I am saying is that the City of Tampa should take some of these funds from Item Number 2 and put it towards seeing what's going on in the elections in District Number 5 and see if they are rigged or not. [ sounding gavel ]

Mr. Daniels, I rule you out of order and ask you to leave the Chambers for the rest of the day.

Have a nice day, sir. Anybody else wishing to speak to item number 2? thank you. Start with your name, please. Kevin Robles. I am a local developer here within the City of Tampa. Thank you today for your time. I appreciate all the thoughtfulness and comments. I want to speak slightly. I've been doing this a very long time. Been very involved with advocacy and impact fees, and this is not the first Municipality that have showed up for this. One of the things that has struck me in this particular case is that it appears to me that there was a mandate came down from the State to say, look, you have to operate within these constraints. It really is about cost measure, cost of living and that sort of thing. And in the course of -- as most recently as Monday afternoon was on a zoom call, you guys didn't even have the figures yet generated from the consultant. That feels very, very uncomfortable to me as a developer that we don't have proper figures. Now, I realize today's hearing is you are looking for an extraordinary circumstance. I don't believe that not raising the fees for 36 years is an extraordinary circumstance. I want to make a couple of comments real quick on the presentation. I felt like the lining up of where current fees are around the state, some of the examples. Comparing impact fees in an emerging suburban county is way different than in an urban city environment. So I want to make sure there's some clarity there that because the fee here is $1,762 or whatever those numbers lined up is not what it takes to pay fair share or contributing share when you're trying to eight-lane a highway out to the green fields, across suburbia, using federal highways, state highways that sort of thing. It's unfair in that presentation to just have a little bit of context there. I think today, somebody will speak to the fees in St. petersburg, which are actually lower than tampa's. I don't see St. petersburg lining up in that chart. And that is a very like kind city. I do business in both. I'm very well aware of how they operate. One of the things, I know it might be a little touchy, but I've been very involved with city staff and that sort of thing. Many times it frustrates me when I get in there and there is no accountability on the staff side, when I see an increase that says that you bought 18 cents on the dollar 36 years ago, what you do today, though that's skewed and where is the accountability to staff to make sure that you're paying the right amount for infrastructure and Capital Improvements within there, that you are paying the correct amount. And I would look to this council to do a more thoughtful approach of, hey, let's have some accountability of what we're spending our money on, not just, hey, if we can get some additional money, I remember 25 years ago, stormwater, 90 bucks a month -- a year, you would solve your stormwater problems. Thank you so much.

Next. Adam Mays, local developer, City of Tampa resident. I'm also going to speak to the agenda here. First thing is affordability that we touched on. The prices of houses have gone up. The cost of land in the City of Tampa, the cost of construction materials, tariffs, et cetera. This would just exacerbate the program, continue to increase fees that will increase cost. In light of builders not paying their way this year we'll pay more than a million dollars in impact fees. And we are a single family home builder primarily where we tear down a residence that was there and build a new residence. The impact fee there is not impacted in transportation. There is a two-car garage typically there or carport, et cetera. Raising these fees to what I saw for the first time today to 500%, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Comparison neighborhoods is another reason I think that when you look at, I don't know why we did not look at pinellas. It is the most like kind. We do business over there as well. I brought this chart, again, to help show that. Again, we showed Hillsborough County. We showed Manatee. We jumped all the way over to Orlando. Pinellas county is down at the bottom. That does include St. pete downtown. That is both their districts. They have a general schedule as well as a downtown schedule. Either they are better with their funds or I don't know what, but they are less than City of Tampa's. So increasing the fees in City of Tampa by 500%, which is the first time today I saw that number, we will take our business to St. Petersburg. And maybe that's what -- maybe that is the goal of council and or -- but as a business, we will take our business to St. Petersburg. Lastly, timing. Why now? Why now? Why now? It's because we're playing beat the clock with senate bill 1080 to try to get the fees blown off over 50% to 500%. A 500% increase. You've had 36 years to do it. Now you're going to do it in 60 days? You cannot get me a single-family permit in 60 days, and you're going to ram transportation impact fees in 60 days down my throat? Can't get me a single-family permit in 60 days. 500% increase overnight. Thank you.

Thank you. Good morning. Thank you, council members, for letting me speak today. My name is Luke Surak. 25-year-old Tampa native, turning 26 in a couple of weeks. I grew up here. I love this city and I want to build my life in it. But vague proposals like this make it feel like an uphill battle, pushing young people like me further away. I have a few key concerns about this Mobility impact fee hike and why the extraordinary circumstances doesn't hold up. Plus some suggestions to fix the process. Firstly, not raising the fee for 38 years isn't extraordinary. It's been the norm for these fees for the last 38 years. Ironically, considering raising the fee is the only extraordinary circumstance that I've heard. Inflation and growth should be expected, so I don't understand what the sudden emergency is. If Mobility needs cash all of a sudden, have they been asleep at the wheel? The big reason boils down to, it's been a long time, which is very week. Mobility's track record shows lack of foresight and ineffective spending. Unfortunately, lack of foresight has been the extraordinary standard. Mismanagement does not justify an extraordinary circumstance. Before thinking about a hike over 50%, council should demand a full independent audit of their spending. Let's root out the waste first and not reward bad management with more money to burn. Second, this whole extraordinary circumstances process is backwards and rushed. Rushed, we haven't seen any real data, proposed rates or calculations from Mobility until 10 minutes ago. How could we possibly judge if it's justified? The public had no access to the draft table provided this morning. Vague claims about growth, costs and inflation sound serious, but where is the truth of tying them to a true emergency? The study has plenty of claims but no pure data available. This fee can't fix existing problems like maintenance of potholes, sidewalks, or ditches. It is only for hypothetical new roads and other small items. But tampa is built out with no big tracts of land left compared to counties such as manatee and sarasota that they are comparing us to. Don't let sb 1080 rush this. Staff needs to lay out the numbers first and then we can have an honest and rational discussion on whether a big jump is even needed. At the end of the day, this increase would pass straight through to new home buyers, hitting my generation the hardest. As a young professional already priced out, it's heartbreaking to see unjustified and rash determinations like this make owning a home here where I grow up -- grew up feel impossible. My generation just wants transparent and smart governance that doesn't waste our shot at the future. The way staff presented this is vague, unfair, and negatively impacts young people like me who want to stay in tampa.

You're done. Thank you. Appreciate it. Next. Ocean fihs. Public policy student at St. Petersburg College. I have some questions and comments before the court. These new impact fees, I know there is some talk about them going towards sidewalks and roads but has there been any thought about going towards public transportation and making these new impact fees work for the people who they are impacting? For example, like if you are living far out in the far reaches of Tampa, it costs a lot of money in terms of transportation to get into the city and I'm wondering if the city of Tampa was looking at public transportation as I think that is really the only logical future of any transportation in a city with millions of people. I know Congressman Viera -- sorry if I pronounce your name -- viera, was -- I'm so sorry. Was mentioning earlier that we were looking at transportation earlier, but it got cut. I was wondering, are we trying to go back to -- is there any hope for public transportation in The City? My mother works at the university of Tampa. She commutes every week from St. Pete to Tampa. And I live in Manatee County. That takes almost an hour to get up here. I know that is not the fault of city of Tampa, but has there been any thought of like Manatee County, St. Pete, and Tampa, it is a tristate area, almost, tri-county area and one big circuit. Could these impact fees go towards the hopes and dreams of maybe affordability in transportation in this area? Thank you so much.

Thank you very much. Have a nice day. Connie Burton. Don't let your head blow up with all these Congressmen and Next-level of Government. [ laughter ]

It's only directed to one of us. I don't see how it would ever be affordable for working-class people in communities that you described in resolution 568 that had a long history of neglect. Right now, the houses in our community is costing close to a quarter of a million dollars and more. So working-class families, new families with these additional fees would be thoroughly impacted unless we had protected classes of neighborhood. Something has to give here. When I think about and this could be totally different, but the impact fees for that and I think about being a member of East Tampa and listening to the CRA, and then watching a Developer come to the CRA and ask for $5 million for road improvement, for their building, that the $5 million was not going to be used for infrastructure, but for roads. And so now I'm sitting back there thinking now, is the roads going to be paved gold? $5 million for one Developer out of East Tampa. So I would just hope that you find a way to rethink some of this in order to bring some type of fairness to communities so we can have a period of catching up when we think about Sulphur Springs, the lower part of East Tampa, additional costs will completely wipe that community of new homeowners out. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Burton. Mr. Michelini. You know, we had those meetings with the City Staff. Quite honestly, they haven't proved their case at all. They have inserted things in here that --

State your name. Mr. Michelini, I know this is your first time at City Council, but you have to start with your name before you start speaking. I thought you announced me. Steve Michelini. Restart my time now.

Go ahead. Anyway, we met with the staff and we didn't have any information available. They said, yeah, we agree. But if I came to you with a petition for a rezoning or an appeal and I said, well, you know, I don't have all the information available, but I'll get it to you. What would happen? You wouldn't accept it. That's why the Development Community is saying don't accept this. You're trying to jam in something at the last minute. Quite honestly, could have done something earlier. Didn't have to wait 30 years. Now that there is a deadline, all of a sudden it is urgent that you consider extraordinary circumstances to increase it above the 25%. You still have that availability of 25%. But they haven't justified going above that. Simply haven't done it. Where is the demonstrated need study? Hasn't been done. The basis has not been increased since 1989. it's not the basis either. Communities that allow either development patterns are distinctively different. They have used distinctively different issues and compared them and made them part of Tampa. Four of the seven comparisons based on larger, suburban, rural area development. They have now changed that. Not keeping pace with other jurisdictions. That is not the criteria. Overall demand for multimodal travel has been demonstrated. It's failed twice, but they want to use that to fund backdoor fund, multimodal transportation. The size of existing traffic lanes have been reduced, inserting bicycle lanes. Putting on-street parking where you have streets that used to function at level of service c or d are now failing. Traffic jams are everywhere. The sequencing of the lights have been adjusted, so you can't get through the lights from -- you can't go through more than one light. You are stopping. Right now, you have traffic backing up from kennedy all the way down to morrison on howard. Why is that? Suddenly happened. The roadways were previously operating at these service levels. Simply, it is untenable. Which is it? Impact fee or multimodal fee? I heard them say both. Then they said, well, can't use it for maintenance and reconstruction. Then the list they provided to you says that they do. You wouldn't allow me to borrow against this -- against the future. And why should you allow them to come in and present this case to you and say we need this, we have to have it, and we all recognize that the fees probably need to be increased, but not this way. Follow the rules. The legislature, you wonder why they keep stepping in and usurping the power of local government, it's because you don't follow the rules. And the staff gets up here and tells you, well, we just need it right now. Follow the rules. And this doesn't do it. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Michelini. Next. Stephanie Poynor. Please note the dates on the first time I saw this report. Over two years ago. Over two years ago. This is not a surprise. You guys have had this for at least two years. Why staff didn't bring it forward before now, I don't know. I want to point out this has been around for a long stinkin' time. This is my old report. I got a new one. I'd like to point out a couple of things. Number one, on Rattlesnake Point, the developer, one of the developers came to the City and said, hey, listen, we need some infrastructure increases. We need some things improved on Rattlesnake Point. We need the light at Tyson and Westshore. We need our road to be paved on Tyson. Those developers were told no by staff. They were told no, that they could not do a tax increment funding. So there are developers who recognize that what they are paying in is not enough. There are developers who recognize that what they are paying in is not enough. We still don't have a regular light at Westshore and Tyson. They finally paved it this year. That was like two, three years ago. Buckhorn was extremely vocal about he wasn't going to raise impact fees. He wasn't going to raise fees, period. And that's from upper echelon City Staff. That is not something I made up. I would be happy to supply the name but I'm not going to sell out staff. But the bottom line is that when you go to raise these fees, I want you to consider this. If you only raise them -- okay, if this was a hundred dollar fee and it took place over four years, it is the same thing as if you raise it $50 over two years. So you May as well go for the big and spread it out because then the next council doesn't have to deal with this crap again. The bottom line is, kind of like the salary thing, where everybody was like, what are we going to do? Well, the bottom line is, these fees haven't been raised. Jean Duncan stood out there and told me long before she was the administrator when she had vik bhide and -- his name -- when she had the job, she told me we have not raised these fees since 1989. we need to raise the fees. That was before she became an administrator, but it happened. Phasing these in is not necessarily a bad thing. Okay. Let's take this into consideration. We'll do an average house in tampa now is about $400,000 a year. That's roughly $3,000 a month. If you raise these impact fees, you're looking at if somebody only pays the principal taxes and interest every month, looking at two additional payments. If the developers don't eat any of it. I've never seen a developer eat the cost. Why -- and we cannot raise any other fees. I got yesterday that the construction services will not be able to. Ldc, land development will not be able to raise the fees. If you don't do this, nothing will be raised. Thank you.

Thank you. Next. Good morning. Bring it home. Looks like you are last. That's hard to follow. The percentage that you raise the fees is less important to me than are we paying for the impact that the new development is causing. And they are probably too low. I think we can all agree that they are too low. But let's make sure that the impact is paid for. Most important to me is what are we doing with this money when you do collect it and are we spending it efficiently? I know that in my part of town, the area most developed, which presumably has collected the most amount of impact fees, we had a project that was supposed to be paid for with a new turn lane on Interbay that still hasn't been done. The project was canceled. And that was an approved project. So if we, the most impacted area, still haven't getting projects done with this money, then what are we raising them for? Not arguing that we shouldn't raise them but let's be smart with what we do with the money.

Thank you very much. That concludes public comment on that item. Did you have something you wanted to add? Emma Gregory, Legal Department.

Start with your name. I just heard a few things that I want to clarify for the record and for you. We have done a demonstrated need study. We provided you all a draft copy of that before the September 25 workshop. There seemed to be a bit of confusion about Multimodal versus Impact Fee. So an Impact Fee is a type of fee that the Legislature has put forth that Local Governments are allowed to adopt. The City of Tampa has a Multimodal Fee. So that is the type of uses in The City that we can use the money for. We are following the current law, and we are prepared to follow any future laws that come into effect or in future legislative sessions. To the point that why now. So we followed council's direction, and we have been working on this. We had to secure a consultant. There is a lot of work, a lot of data collection. I think you saw some of that today. So we have been working towards this for some time.

Emma, can you for the audience, to the people listening, clarify the next steps? So people know where the decision points are and where we are at in this process. With Brandon's leave, I'll answer. It's very likely that we will come and ask for a motion that perhaps a staff report be put on the November 20th meeting asking for another discussion on this. And then we would be seeking some direction from the council, and then after that meeting, we would be looking in December to bring an ordinance for two readings that will either suit you all or not. So those are the next steps.

We'll have another opportunity, so council can work with staff between now and the next staff report to do some adjustments. For the folks listening and then I'll recognize Councilpersons, one thing I'll guarantee you this council is going to increase the fee. It's just a matter of now negotiating what that looks like. I think rather than coming out against something, if you bring suggestions to your Councilpersons that you work with about where you feel like we could make adaptations or amendments or what we could do, I think that would be most helpful. Councilwoman Hurtak first.

Problem with November 20 is we have already put three staff reports and only three staff reports because all of us are going to, thanks to the late Councilwoman Henderson, we are going to participate in the great american teach-in that morning. We don't start council until 11, which is why we limited it to three staff reports. So we could, as a council, override that and go ahead and do that anyway. I just wanted to throw that out there since we do not have evening session. It is up to us --

Motion to override that rule and add the staff report on November 20.

We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak --

Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. Can we have a statement of exactly what the motion is and maybe if staff or legal would articulate it for the council member or the Council Member would do it. Rather than make a motion --

Do you have something written or prepared for this?

We can make a motion to hold the Space.

What is it -- if I can, Mr. Chair, May I inquire?

You May inquire.

What is it that you are asking council to direct or direct you to come back with on the 20th of November?

Yes.

Would you have a draft ordinance for them to review at that time or would that only come back for first reading, would that be the first time they see in the first meeting in December? If we come back in November, we would be seeking guidance from council and then off of that guidance, I would then prepare and submit the ordinance for first reading.

Is that your intent?

Number 20 is a staff report with the updates showing the different fees and percentages, correct?

In anticipation of presentation of a first reading on the first meeting in December.

We have a motion to waive the rules to allow an additional staff report on November 20 from Councilman Maniscalco for staff to return with the additional information on the mixed modal fee. Second from Councilman Viera. All in favor, Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Quick motion, then, while we are here --

They wanted to speak to the issue. Did you want to wait for that?

I wanted to make sure we had Space on December 4 for the actual ordinance. I'll do it after.

Councilman Carlson.

I just want to make a few comments in response to the public comment. One is there are questions about why this hasn't been raised in 36 or whatever years. I don't know all the reasons, but the different policy makers make different choices. The Last Administration decided to raise property taxes for everyone. And to put the burden on everyone. What we're looking at doing is trying to let the new people pay for their own costs rather than putting an additional burden on everyone else. Another Person mentioned that the St. Pete numbers are lower. I would appreciate if we had the chart with the top ten cities in Florida so that we would know what they are charging so we can do a comparison. I think -- yeah, cities.

Cities, not counties.

Yeah, I don't know what the numbers are. But I think for transparency reasons, there have been numbers shown to us in the past where the public accused the administration of cherrypicking. If we are consistent and compare to our peer set, like the top ten cities, then by population, then we can compare hopefully apples and apples. Someone else brought up the point about getting a permit, that it takes so long to get a permit. Some people say it is taking two or three years to get permits now. What I would recommend is if you put this in place, it only would be for new permits applied for after January 1st. So people apply for a permit on December 31st and takes three years, they are still included under the old one because it is not fair to penalize them if our permitting process takes a long time. The last thing, someone talked about public transportation or public transit, which is a big discussion that always comes up, that that takes a huge funding source to fund public transit. And there are many different efforts to do that. The last two failed miserably because the way the campaigns were run. One failed at the ballot. The other one the people running it poked the Opposition in the eye so the Opposition turned around and sued them. It didn't fail because they sued; it failed because the Campaign poked them in the eye and caused them to sue them. Had they collaborated with them, had they worked with them, I had a public forum where I invited just them to speak at different times in the same forum, and the pro-transit people wouldn't even speak because the Opposition had spoken. If we're going to build a coalition around funding public transit, we need to make sure that everybody is at the table, whether Republican or democrat, and try to build consensus for everyone. I hope that the next Campaign, whatever it is, is run by Grassroots and not by people with political interests. There is an effort right now that is run by real grassroots efforts that's been around ten or more years, transit now, and council member hurtak is also involved in it. Transit now is trying to put together a real grassroots effort, put together information. Anybody interested, I encourage you to get involved with them. They are looking at different funding sources and it's not driven by politicians or millionaires. It will be driven by people who care about transit. Thank you.

Councilman Miranda.

We had an item that superseded this item that we take the other one off.

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Just added space. No problem. I want to make sure.

Anybody else?

I want to say it's funny with public comment, we always have public comment. The public comments on this issue on both sides I think was very instructive and very educational. Something Chairman Clendenin said is important to note, which is I do think that some level of increase is going to pass. I think what we're hearing from one side is absolutely maybe not to anything but maybe an argument to saying, hey, that coffee is really hot. Let's put an ice cube in it. I think we're open to that. Goes without saying. I think that's important. Since 1989, a long time, I would like to know what inflation has been since then and with the number back then as today with inflation, 1989, another summer, a long time ago. Thank you.

Councilwoman Hurtak.

I really appreciate the conversation today. The public's comments are great. To Council Member Carlson's point, the organization is called transit now Tampa Bay. It's available on both instagram and facebook. If you follow them, you'll get news about what kind of transit items that the area is working on. But for this, I understand, I'm really grateful that some developers and builders did come. I'm grateful we had community members here. I think the idea today is that we are finding that there is a need. But the great thing is we May decide that it's not 50%. We May do that work, and it May be under 50%. But today, by saying we do see the need and the availability, we're making sure we're not locking ourselves out of that opportunity. I think the next step is the individual meetings with council members to talk about the numbers behind this. Also, to make sure some of that number information is on a website that people can see, and to make sure that folks set up meetings with us to talk about concerns, whether from the neighborhood side, from the developer side, from everyone, so that when we get here on November 20, we can have a robust conversation. So I really do appreciate Council Member Carlson talking about the top ten cities. I'm more interested in the cities in the surrounding areas as well. Again, cities. Counties, that was a good point someone made. Building roads where there weren't roads before. Wildly different than what we're trying to do. Just kind of hearing from that. You know, the great thing is all the conversation means we'll find a decent median space. I do believe that. I just want to say thank you for everyone for participating and I look forward to the conversation going forward. I'm sorry. I knew I was going to forget. That was the whole thing. I did want to go ahead and save space. I'm not quite sure because it's not actually a motion to bring an ordinance back. So I'm going to make a motion to hold space for the ordinance, bringing the ordinance back on both December 4th and December 18. do I have a second?

We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak and a second from Councilman Viera. I was waiting for your clarification.

The clarification is the subject of the ordinance.

I'm sorry. Of raising the multimodal fees, holding a Spot for an ordinance regarding raising multimodal fees. We won't know the amount until we have the conversation on November 20, and we May end up not moving forward. I just wanted to have space. We're just putting a hold on it.

It's an agenda, Administrative Motion. I don't think I have a problem with that.

It's unusual for council, but certainly not out of order. Yeah, I understand.

The reason, it is a time thing. Normally this wouldn't be an issue. I'm saving Time because it is a time Issue.

I appreciate that, Councilwoman Hurtak. Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak and I believe a second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Thank you so much. Okay. That brings that issue to a close. Were we nice enough?

Yes, thank you.

Thank you. Just making sure. On to item number 3. don't let me forget, we do have a speaker online. Evan Johnson, interim City Planning director. Lucky for you all, I will not be giving the presentation today. We are here to talk a little bit about the Sulphur Springs neighborhood action plan which City Planning has been working on with the Consultant Team and Neighborhood Partners for a year now. We're getting ready and working on landing the plane now. My colleague here, Lauren O'Neill with our group, is going to come up and give a presentation about what we've done and what we've come up with so far. We look forward to coming back early next year to talk about even more of the detail. With that, I'll hand it over to lauren.

We are so lucky. Hi, Lauren. Lauren O'Neill, senior planning coordinator. Thank you for pulling that up. So a little bit of background, the neighborhood action plan is a long-range vision and guiding document for the Sulphur Springs Neighborhood.

Can I ask to you pause for a second? We just had a Vip enter the room. Come here.

That's not going to work. State your name, please. Can you put the monitor setting to the Podium? Thank you. Can you state your name, please? [ applause ] my name is Naya Young.

It is Councilwoman. I was watching you all back there. This is exciting. This is exciting.

For those of you guys who want to be part of when she officially changes her name to councilwoman, tomorrow, in these council chambers at 3 p.m., she will be sworn in as the 7th member of Tampa City Council. [ applause ] make yourself at home. Sorry about that. Had the opportunity to work with Naya as part of the project in her past life. Lauren O'Neill, senior planning coordinator. A little bit of background about the project. The Sulphur Springs neighborhood action plan is a long-range vision for the neighborhood. It is a guiding document and we're really hoping to get out of this actionable strategies, funding priorities and strengthening the coordination and partnerships that are needed in order to improve the quality of life in the Sulphur Springs neighborhood. So we've been doing this for almost a year now. We came in front of council in April to give you an update at the end of phase one. We're now at the end of phase two and the major deliverable that we're getting out of phase two is our actual draft neighborhood action plan. Phase three is going to be all about kind of the review, revision, and finalization of that plan. But we have the next three months to make sure that we got it right. So this slide is kind of a high-level summary of the thorough public engagement that we have done throughout this process. I'm going to spend the next two slides talking a little more about the in-person engagement. Here, I want to highlight even the virtual engagement that we've been doing. We have a project website, Tampa.gov/Sulphur Springs where I send out monthly newsletters updating about progress on the project as well as other work that is being done in Sulphur Springs by other City departments. And then we also had two online surveys in phase one and in phase two. And we even like promoted social media ads to really get the word out there about this project because we're really trying to reach a wide variety of people in the neighborhood. So as part of the kind of official engagement of the project, so the engagement that is literally outlined in our scope, we had two traditional community workshops, and we also did booth to nontraditional events. The literature festival during spring break as well as the back-to-school bash, both of which were held at the school. And then in addition to that external engagement that we're doing, we've been engaging a lot internally with other City departments. We had focus groups with each of the administrative portfolios and those department leaders to hear about their priorities and vision for Sulphur Springs, and then on a quarterly basis, we've been meeting with a technical working group made up of staff from those departments and really the benefit of meeting with that group is that we can create that feedback loop both of letting them know what we're hearing from the community and then getting updates on what they are working on so that we can tell that back to the community. And then, most importantly, really, it's letting us make informed decisions about some of the things that we're going to move forward in the plan to make sure that we have buy-in and what we're recommending is realistic. Even maybe more important than the official engagement that we've been doing, we have a really great community engagement consultant that has been out there meeting people where they are at. We're trying to get that comprehensive feedback so that the recommendations that we're making are reflective of everyone in the community, not just those who are going to traditionally come to community meetings. I just want to point out that naya is in a picture up there. So, what are some of the challenges that we heard? We heard that there are trouble accessing resources, like food and jobs, that there is a lack of high-quality, welcoming safe spaces in the community and that there's also anxiety about the way that change in the future is going to affect the rich, cultural history of sulphur springs. So from this, all of this really great feedback that we got through this process, we identified 8 main themes. The themes have to do with beautification, building social capital, preserving natural resources, addressing vacancy, ensuring that there is affordable housing, improving streets, sidewalks, and celebrating history and culture. I just want to point out the improved Nebraska Avenue theme. Really, the issues with nebraska avenue are kind of addressed by these other broad themes, but it's something that we heard so clearly in our engagement, in comment at city council and e-mails that we received from neighborhood leaders, that we felt it was an important thing to highlight on its own as a focus area of this project. From all of that feedback we developed this vision statement for sulphur springs which states that Sulphur Springs is a resilient, welcoming community where history and progress create a vibrant, sustainable future, serving as a model of community-driven revitalization. As we're moving through this planning process, we're doing so with these principles in mind. We're keeping in mind safety, preservation, and creating opportunities for prosperity all throughout the neighborhood. Over the next few slides, I'm going to go over our preliminary play book of actions. These will be the top ten action areas that we really want to push forward within the first year after plan approval. We recognize that we need a lot of momentum and in some cases more funding to push forward these actions. But we feel that what we're showing you today is really reflective of the feedback that we have gotten over the last almost year. So, for the sake of time, I'm going to keep this a little high-level as I go through them but happy to go back at the end and provide more context or answer any questions you have about the action areas. But with advisory council, this would be kind of that community-led effort that would function as the body for community-driven change in the community, for partnerships, we're looking at ways to formalize that collaboration with internal and external partners that are going to help us implement the actions of the plan. Affordable housing, we're looking both to create new home ownership and rental opportunities as well as preserve ones that already exist. For redevelopment, that would be strategic acquisition for mission-based things like workforce development or food hubs, and then on the subject of food hubs, we have heard a lot about how food insecurity is a big issue in the neighborhood so we want to keep pushing forward programs and policies that are going to encourage fresh, affordable food access. For the next set of actions, the first two really go hand in hand. It is both about creating the connections between homes, jobs, and community resources, and then making sure that those connections are safe, whether you are walking, biking, driving, or whatever method of transportation that you use. Parks and river access, this is really about looking at where we can use new amenities, especially amenities that connect people to the river, improving the amenities that already exist, like the Sulphur Springs pool, and then really activating our park spaces to make sure they feel welcoming and safe. We also would be looking at enhancing neighborhood character through public art and urban design, again, to make sure that our public spaces feel welcoming, like a place people want to go. And then last but not least is safety improvements. This has also been a really big topic that we have heard about throughout this process. We want to be very, very thoughtful about the recommendations we are making around this related to how police are addressing safety, how are we providing services for the homeless population that's in the neighborhood. And many other things that contribute to whether people feel comfortable and welcomed in their own neighborhood. For this slide, we just wanted to highlight the different topic areas all playing an influential role in this plan. We have staff members from each of the disciplines represented on our technical working group. We also did a literature review at the beginning of this project that reviewed many of these plans to make sure that what we're doing now is building on the efforts that we have done before. So one thing that was really important to us was making sure we're not just hearing all of this feedback and sitting on it for over a year and waiting to do something. We did not want to wait to act on this feedback. So we wanted to highlight some of the efforts that have really had a positive -- have or will have a positive impact on the neighborhood that have occurred over the course of this project. This is not us taking credit for these things. Rather, a big benefit has been that we have been able to shine more light on sulphur springs and also, in some instances, like the kayak launch that was just installed in Sulphur Springs Park, that is something that I can put in my newsletter and now people know about it and now they know, hey, The City is listening to what we're talking about. In addition to that, we're also working really closely with other city departments and community partners to do some of these things that are listed as on the horizon. These are really early wins that we want get in the community that we think will have a good impact. So, our next steps is going to be starting phase three where we will be reviewing, revising, finalizing the draft neighborhood action plan. That's going to include more community engagement as well as staff engagement within the city, again, to really formalize that buy-in and what the implementation process is going to look like. We would also be looking to kind of get some kind of council blessing on the plan that will help us move forward with implementation to know that we have your support to start carrying out some of these recommendations. And then after that, we're really looking for a lot of these recommendations to start taking shape over the next five years so we would be looking at securing more funding, again, formalizing those partnerships and making the programmatic and policy changes necessary to carry this out. We are available if you have any questions.

Councilwoman Hurtak, followed by Councilman Viera.

I'm going to let Councilman Viera go first because this was his motion.

He actually deferred to you. I gave it to him.

The only thing I just wanted to say was thank you for the presentation. I want to commend you for 400 plus one-on-one conversations. That's exactly what this Community needs. That's what every -- I love the fact that you did a literature review. These are really good policies that I hope we use going forward when we're talking about this type of improvement in neighborhoods. But I just wanted to give a quick update because I did talk to Ted Fowler yesterday. Thank you so much for highlighting the fact that we are going to have a connection with the Green Artery through the park. So I just wanted to say that the bridgework, they have -- I call it in the Manatee Zone, like the Manatee Viewing Bridge.

They have a contractor for that. That is getting started soon. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to give me specifics yesterday, but said should have specifics hopefully next week. But bridgework. They do have a contract for that. That is getting started. The Boardwalk right now is being replaced, the one going under 275, they are replacing some of the boards. That's why it's been fenced off, but that fencing should finish. That is an active project. And then the path completion for the entire circular path through River Tower Park and the connection to both the Boardwalk and then Florida and bird should follow that. So hopefully I'm hoping we can get it a quick turnaround maybe, for the City, maybe summer. That's the hope. I just wanted to provide that update. I just wanted to say thank you because I think that feeds this particular -- this particular project feeds into items 7 and 8 of what you were talking about. And I am thrilled this is a good way to get started on that, and I am going to continue to fight for more connection between getting across Florida, getting across Nebraska to get to these parks as part of that vision zero. So I -- I have been working with Tdot to try to improve that intersection that is going -- going from Nebraska to the Pool. They are going to hopefully have some a.d.a. Compliance there that will open up the, I guess, inlet of walking to the sidewalk to make it more broad so people can get there using different mobility devices and bikes and so on and so forth. That will add to the green artery and also add a safer connection into the neighborhood itself.

Thank you, council member Viera.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Like Councilwoman Hurtak said, great report and a good vision and everything like that. I think it is important to do that. We have seen reports in the past, for example, for University Square Area. And then the challenge is, do we fund it? So this is a great road map. The issue is, are we going to put money toward it long term? That is the real question. I know you know that. That is the real question. My big challenge with a lot of the things we are doing in Sulphur Springs right now. It is wonderful, but looking at a community where seven in ten children live in poverty. 70% child poverty. Imagine living in a community where over two of three kids live in poverty. And we are talking of getting them back to the place where they were with the 70% policy. And we are talking of fixing bridges. And all great stuff, but we are talking of getting them back to where they were two years ago. I think we should be having a discussion that forces us -- forces us to invest in people. I always said it, when you look at Sulphur Springs, we need to have a robust government agenda with a State Government, Federal Government, local government, and Coalitions coming together. When I take a look at what I think we need in Sulphur Springs, I got three little letters, W.p.a. Works Product Administration. Big robust projects that rely on human capital that put people to work by rebuilding their communities and giving youth and families and those areas real hope that we are putting them to work. Getting them careers. Giving them hope in order to rebuild communities. Without that kind of stuff, we are -- we are -- I promise you in ten years, Sulphur Springs will still be what it is today. I have talked about different ideas, such as a cra, and the reason I pushed that, and it didn't pass is because I believe in areas like sulphur springs. If you don't force elected officials to invest in there, they are not going to do it. They are not going to do it. Because that's how we got to where we are on sulphur springs. Mind you, I have been on City Council for nine years. I am not judging anybody. If we don't force people to invest in areas like Sulphur Springs, then it is not going to happen. It is not going to happen long term. This is a wonderful plan, but the test will be, will we put robust funds long term to funding that? Again, every government whenever it comes to impoverished and marginalized areas, the will is not always there, why? Because no political benefit of elected officials to support marginalized people without public pressure. So if we don't have something like a cra, we need to have a public that is going to force people in city council, in county commission, in the state, and in the federal government to invest in it, right. I remember the story of president franklin delano roosevelt. He would talk to activists and said I want to do it. Go out and make me do it. I think that is what we are looking at in areas like Sulphur Springs. In this City Council, we've got lot of good, compassionate people that want to invest in sulphur springs, but long term, we need that compulsory type of mechanism to invest in that area because the political will is not always there for a place like Sulphur Springs. That is the challenge I see with it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Council Member Maniscalco. Followed by council member Carlson.

Thank you very much. A great update, and thank you for the community meetings that I had. I have been here my entire life. I have seen neighborhoods change. Neighborhoods that we never went into because they weren't like they are today. We had a program for the riverwalk extension the other day. And I gave a speech, and I talked about -- and we just got a grocery store opened, and we have new housing down that street. I remember what boulevard homes looked like. Boulevard and Main Street driving through there. Now it is completely transformed. Tampa Heights. My dad and I used to drive down Tampa Street to get to downtown, we drive right past Tampa Heights and now there houses that are worth a lot of money. A lot of people that put a lot of time and effort in building up that neighborhood, and it is a beautiful neighborhood. Armature Works. Hyde Park. Historic Hyde Park -- 40 years ago, it is not like it is today. I can keep going. West Tampa. Midtown development. What is happening in west shore? I mean I can go on and on. We have invested a lot of money and a lot of major projects. We have the Fair Oaks Park. We have river walk. The hanna building. So many things that happened in so many years, in this community -- this is for Joseph Robinson -- deceased Joseph Robinson, the past president of the Neighborhood Association. He used to tell me this is the poorest neighborhood in the city. That is his words to me, and I met him at T.h.a.n. Years ago in the original T.h.a.n. Not much has changed. The k-mart closed. Cvs on florida and busch. There were issues there. I could go on and on. So much of tampa has been flourished. City Council, we have been very supportive. Cra or not. We need the suggestion of sulphur springs. I think it goes to the mayor, whoever that mayor is. I mean, it has got to be more than a nehemiah project. Projects were torn down and new houses were built. Beyond that, where is the economic development? Council member viera talked of the children living in poverty. Cut off nebraska and that rowlett park, where the grocery stores, the retail stores are. Very few small businesses. What we need to do because in 18 months, we will have a new mayor and a blood bath of an election that I am not looking forward to. But whomever that mayor is, needs to talk of the areas of the city that have been neglected. East of the interstate -- I always say it you go to east tampa, it completely changes. Past nebraska and to mlk residential and quiet. So much action and activity elsewhere. The mayor is the spokesperson for The City, the cheerleader for the city, and the main contact for the city. We need to cultivate people to come here and look at these neighborhoods, to make investments. The gentleman behind armature works, right? I believe he has properties up in sulphur springs. He is a good guy. He makes good -- creates good products. We need more of that. But we need to have the discussion, and say, hey, people didn't want to live in hyde park 40 years ago. I had a friend -- she lived in a house off bayshore in 1980 because the homeowner begged her and saying I need someone to stay in the house. I don't know if the term "squatter" existed. Somebody to keep an eye. I don't even dream of living in hyde park because so it's expensive and unaffordable but they preserved the history. Sulphur Springs has a historical building. Harbor house burned down but the springs theatre and that area of buildings, there is a lot of significance. You go to the Sulphur Springs water tower, Sulphur Springs itself, and the Sulphur Springs arcade was demolished in the late '70s and early '80s. It was a huge loss and replaced by a center providing services to the community. I will close by saying we need to make an effort. I didn't come downtown when I was in college 20 years ago because there was very little to see. Now I am down here every day, not because of work it but because, again, the riverwalk. The focal point has been this. What about the poor people? The poor people are always forgotten. It is up to us as a council, as to whoever the next mayor will be, to have these discussions to let these communities out of poverty because we have been successful in other places that people used to say, I would never live there. We never talked of living in Tampa Heights. Always about living in West Tampa. I would love to live in Tampa Heights. A beautiful area. I would love to live in these neighborhoods that I talked about, and sulphur springs should be on that list. Great corridors, florida, nebraska, the interstate. So much connection. Talk of extending the trail of river trail park. People go on the river. We activated the river. So much going for it, and we need that final spark to get there like all these other neighborhoods have. Thanks.

Councilman Carlson.

I want to say the same thing. Thank you to staff who worked on that. I went to one or two of the meetings, and I followed what you all have done, and I think it is a great process. You met a lot of people. You gained information. And I hear positive feedback on that. Thank you for guiding through the process. As we go forward, what happens with some of the projects that -- that get pushed forward is they -- they then get packaged in a marketing way to either make the Mayor look good for political reasons or because they sound good with some kind of alliteration. What I would encourage you to do is as you do the communication on it -- whoever does the communication, they need to be guided by the Community. The Community should come up with the language and the visuals. Something stupid like transforming Tampa's tomorrow, which they misinterpret because they use t3. Nobody will understand what it is. Something that is a rallying point for the Community. A logo, a name, a tag line, those type of things. Not marketing tools or political tools, tools to rally excitement, espirit de corp in the Community. What my colleague just said and think is experience, the City needs it. Second thing is what happens with the City sometimes, they get criticized for not paying attention to certain areas and roll in with big outside developers. What happened in the West River is exactly what we don't need to do. We don't need -- just because somebody has a friend or a relative who is a lobbyist doesn't mean we need a big developer to come in an gentrify the whole area. 1200 poor families were connected out of the area. The housing was terrible. They had nowhere to go for five, six, or seven more years. Not what responsible cities do. Most people there had to move outside the city limits. And worsened education system. Worsened the traffic system. Having mixed-use mixed income housing, but not tear down affordable housing and places where people live and replace them with shiny buildings that look great to improve the neighborhood but the reality is hundreds of families that can't even come back even if they had priority to move back in to some of those places. It's not about subsidizing developers. It is not about giving developers opportunities, it is about thinking of people in the community and doing what they want and they need. Community already has its own nonprofits. We don't need to -- and I am saying this not trying to lecture you, I am just speaking through the camera. But you know you have been meeting with them. What happened in east tampa was not what the community wanted. When we on city council pushed six, seven years more needed to be done in East Tampa, administration got outside groups again to go in and next, the problem. That made the community angry because the community said we already know what needs to be done. We are trying to solve these problems and administration says go with the groups and teach them how to do it. Why did we do that? Some of them would make a mark-up of giving money tonight existing nonprofits. Not the way to do it. We need to trust the people in the community and the apparatus that the community has treated on their own and trust and go in there. Example is the springs market. It just started and they need like $500 each time they operate. Maybe you are doing that already. If you were talking of bringing food to a community, you know, we don't have to pay $5 million for a developer to come in and build something or $20 million for somebody to build a publix. Right now there is a food market coming twice a month or whatever and $500 or $1,000, we can help them to sustain that and bring in more people and more resources. And it brings excitement. It brings people in there. It creates a sense of community. Other thing we don't need -- and that's why I appreciate councilmember -- almost said congressman viera's leadership on this. But the reason I am against the cras. They are misused. Most cras are used for subsidizing developers. Sulphur Springs wants 20-story high-rise condos. A cra is the right solution, otherwise, we need to have discipline in spending the money. What sulphur springs doesn't want is shiny apartments that charge $6,000-a-month rent. What they want is better streets, better sidewalks, and better parks. All these pocket parks that need to be improved. They want the boardwalk fixed. They want the pool fixed. Things we can do. Project that adam harden is about to build. I don't know all the details but he has a sensitivity of the history and culture of tampa, and he is working with people in the community to do that. In terms of right now political imperative. I think council member viera led a lot on this issue, but we fully supported him. I think this council -- for sure we have a majority on council that supports this. Now it's up to the mayor. And the mayor's people has to look to at this not as a marketing or political opportunity, not about adding an extra sentence in the video in a year and a half, and not about a marketing slogans you can have a press conference about. It is us walking in the community and looking at the eyes of the people in Sulphur Springs and knowing that we did the best thing to help them and they look back at us and say thank you for supporting us and what we wanted to do to build our own community. The last thing I want to say is that elections have consequences. If the public wants to focus on sulfur springs, make sure we keep electing people who care about it. Guess what the public just elected somebody that cares about Sulphur Springs. And we have another vote on Sulphur Springs. On city council, we have another vote for sulphur springs.

Whatever is possible is probable. And thank you staff for a very in-depth, detailed presentation. What happens when you have a system that you go into and you know it needs a lot of help. That is why, again --

Are you okay?

You didn't have your glasses on.

Sorry, the most embarrassing thing.

That is what happens when you get a promotion. [laughter] as long as you are okay. [laughter]

You always vote for Congressmen who can't walk. [laughter]

I have to have put some humor to this thing. No problem.

Strong viera.

Worker's comp.

Start enhancing areas that need enhancement and attention. The problem we May have -- and again, what we May have, what happens when someone sells a lot in the 20s, 30s, 40s, or $150,000, dynamics of the neighborhood changes and a natural occurrence. We have to watch out. I don't know how to handle that. I will be honest with you, unless the City wants to buy some lots and hold them, once that starts, the affordability of housing disappears. I can tell you with experience. When I got elected back in the '70s, Hyde Park was a dump, a real dump. You can't buy anything for less than $1 million there, in most of area. And wonderful -- it made a -- a come back like it was originally 67 years ago. But we have to be careful how we handle this. Yes, you can do the improvements that you want to do, but once someone starts their land and someone else buys it, they are not buying it just to lose money. They are buying it for an investment purpose or to live in. So how do you balance that? Certainly, private lot owner or homeowner have a right to sell. That is a natural. How do we handle that problem when something that is affordable become unaffordable for the people they are trying to help at the same time. That is the problem. A definite problem to handle. But I appreciate what your agency is, and the Sulphur Springs has been demised a lot; however, it is cut by two areas really, Nebraska and Florida Avenue and to the east where you have a lot of improvement. These are the things I am looking at and saying how can we do both of these things making it probable and possible with the dynamics we have to look at. Thank you very much, so.

I will close with a couple of remarks. One, some of conversation makes me very uncomfortable because these areas are filled -- they are robust neighborhoods with real people enjoying their lives and living their fullest life. Sometimes, there is an expectation because, you know, the high-end swank -- I grew up poor. I grew up in, you know, a very poor area, but I still had a good life. And we had a very basic house that too many people lived in. Concrete block with jalousie windows with no air conditioning, but still a good life. Not everyone lives in a mcMansion. Expectations -- even when we talk of Hyde Park what it was. Okay, so it wasn't filled with doctors, lawyers and ceos, still filled with families. May not be in a single-family mansion, but a house divided up into apartments and boarding houses. They are still real people enjoying their lives. You see these shifts in neighborhoods of, you know, from once was a vibrant neighborhood of poorer people to a vibrant neighborhood of very rich people. We can do that to every neighborhood in The City of Tampa and the proper growth and not the proper trajectory for Tampa. We need to have a city that is inclusive to all people. You know, yes, we have to have places for the bougie, swanky type of people, but we need people who are regular people going to work in the morning. Coming home to feed their kids. And walk into a safe school every day. Sulphur Springs is a great neighborhood. It is just -- it is a beautiful place in The City. And it is one of the last areas in the city that really provides we will definitely affordable housing. So we don't need to reconstruct this. We don't -- can we turn Sulphur Springs into Tampa heights or what has become Tampa heats or south Tampa or Hyde Park? We sure could. Should we? Absolutely not. The cost of plywood and nails, it is expensive. Cost of new construction is expensive. You build new construction in the city. People who live in places like Sulphur Springs won't be able to afford those places. We have to retain existing housing stock. The City has to help out people and help out senior citizens. If you have a senior citizen who lives in a home who needs a new roof and keep that person in the house and assist them? If they need new windows, can we do things like that. A lot cheaper than building new construction. Keeping people in their home, incentivizing homeownership, that the future of The City of tampa that I want to live in and what I want to see. When we are developing this plan, I want is to see a lot more emphasis and time taken to ensure that sulphur springs remains affordable for the people that live there. We can do what we did in so many areas, not just the City of Tampa and across the country and bulldoze these types of housing and rebuild -- make it really pretty and glitzy, but that is not a real city. Not a caring city. And not a city I want my kids and grandkids to be raised in. I look forward to you incorporating that type of thought process into this document as you move forward. And thank you very much for the work. Thank you.

What you are talking about, the working-class backbone of Company -- I'm joking, inside joke.

100%. About are things I can actually provide more detail at this time as part of the priority action areas. Our draft neighborhood action plan is going to come out next month. Each of the priority details will have what we are recommending there but accompanied by case studies that show other places that have successfully done what we are recommending. I wrote down all of your points that I could address --

I would suggest in the interest of time --

Set up individual discussions between now and the time you bring this back to council to have those follow-up conversations. And I think that will be the most -- best use of time. Yes, I absolutely agree with so much of what you all were saying.

Thank you very much. Anyone in the public who wishes to speak to this item? If you would line up against the wall, I would appreciate it. Start with your name -- once you get to the podium, start with your name. You have three minutes. I come before you, again, to first of all saying congratulation to our newly elected councilwoman. We are excited, and we look forward to working with her to continue to create a synergy and a strong support for district five. We are thankful that you have intentionally heard us through this action plan, and you have a heart for the community to continue. We want to ask -- we have two asks and an action item. First, ask to continue to engage the stakeholder are the residents, the proceeders and Funders that work in -- Providers and the Funders that work in the community. As a preacher, I think you were trying to look at my notes from my sermon, and you said exactly what was going to say, and I will reiterate it. My second ask is that residents benefit from the economic -- I heard somebody say the 70%. It's real. Make sure we benefit from the economic growth that accompanies community transformation. We want to let you all continue to say -- continue to eliminate barriers so we can continue to create opportunities for our children, youth, and our seniors and all that live, work and play. I heard somebody say "lift." I think of lift: loving, investing for future transformation. Continue to lift you will. Invest by empowering our residence, strengthening our families and building shared economic success. Not just what is building big developers. Not what we are looking for. He heard you say organizations working. I gave you all the last time I was here, you chartered us to be a Sulphur Springs neighborhood of promise. I came back from San Diego with the Harlem Children's Zone. Placed-base initiative that has been working there. We have been working here for years, and we need support to do a greater work so our voice will continue to be at the table and not telling us what we need to do or what someone thinks we need to do. How do we come along and work you with to do those things that you already know. A lady who is dead and gone, miss ann doyle, told me this. Every community is an expert where they live. And they know where they want to go, but our job is to help them create a map to get there, not to try to determine their destination. So continue to help us be vehicles. And we stand alongside you all to do the work, but, again, come to us and let's do it together. Thank you so much for this time.

Thank you. Next. I need the prayer of that young guy that opened up this meeting for us. I really do. Because if we had the model coming out of East Tampa, Sulphur Springs would be an easy fix. 20-plus years with that cra, and we have witnessed the community and particular black men being ran out of our community. You want to talk about the riverwalk, you want to talk of riverfront park, you want to talk about how beautiful West Tampa is, you know how it had to get there first, black people had to be excluded. Now we are going to have to tell some real truths. And we might have to have a blood bath before the next election so we can stop thinking that black people are expendable. We are not. You want to talk of cosmetic changes. First thing that I noticed is economic opportunities. It was promised in East Tampa once you took down all of Ponce De Leon and all of College Hill. You know who couldn't get a job there? Black men. All them beautiful babies in Sulphur Springs, guess what they got? Black daddies. You might never see them, but they got them. They have black uncles. Black brothers. Black, black, black, that need jobs and opportunities. So you have an opportunity of making Sulphur Springs better. If not, what we are going to have a consternation of what we have right now. Houses in beautiful tampa heights that nobody can afford. Beautiful scenery in West Tampa that because the nephew or the cousin or somebody. That is how they get the contracts. Our people are not touching nothing. And when we come to you and say, you know what, if you can just give some black youth an opportunity, all you can come up with is 32 little lousy jobs for the summer. But every week you have the opportunity when you look at that agenda transforming tampa for today, for tomorrow, that bs. You can look at that agenda and say, how do then it incentivizes opportunity and then force some of these developers that are walking away with these million dollars contracts to hire some people coming out of sulphur springs. Coming out of east tampa. Coming out of highland pine. Coming out of grant park. What we have in our community is a boatload of hopelessness. You know why? Because all of the broken promises. All the election rhetoric that we constantly hear and we are asking people to participate in the process. 100% people could have participated in this last process. Only 11%. No indictment against the candidate, but because of the footprint that politicians before them have placed on our community.

Thank you.

Next speaker, please. You know this plan is -- is beautiful. I am glad to see it moving forward. Here is the problem. The problem is, you were presented a month ago with the last plan to help a community -- actually, it was two communities, S.o.g. And Palmetto Beach. Now S.o.g. Has gotten a lot of what they needed. Why? Because Carroll Ann Bennett and I are paying in the behunes regularly and regularly and will continue to be. What has Palmetto Beach gotten, half of a five-minute presentation last month to you guys. Lauren took part in that study. So I know -- I believe she knows what she is doing. But I need to point out to you, where is the money going to come from for these communities? I will challenge that you last month, you got a letter from a land use attorney that was submitting a reply to the state for a comp plan amendment. It said in that letter there is less than two acres and less than 2% of Channelside that is available to be redeveloped. Why is it still a cra? If it can't be redeveloped, it is time to put that money back in the General Fund so we can do the good stuff we need to do in Palmetto Beach and Sulphur Springs. Those folks in Channelside have plenty. Why are we supporting and supplanting Channelside. They only -- less than two acres but not enough for us to continue to dump all of our General Fund into that community. When we have folks who need it. Who are starving for need. It's not fair. When do you guys -- and it is your responsibility to say it's time. We have done what we needed to do in Channelside, and it is time to start paying attention to those who need it the most. I'm not talking about S.o.g. I am talking of the community you have two and a half minutes worth of their time. They didn't know it was on the agenda because nobody was here. Here we are today, Sulphur Springs needs it. East Tampa needs it. Why are we still continuing to waste our resources in channelside when all of this is going in? Where is the teeth going to be? I am going to tell you that coastal area action plan. One of the former big wigs in the city told me specifically that they wanted to see specific items in the comp plan that would address these issues. And these folks need to do the same. They left it out of the plan, but we need to see specific items in the comprehensive plan that demand these folks are taken care of. Thank you. Robin lockett. I love the plan, but -- so I love the plan but I am very concerned -- everything is nice and pretty, right. The -- the exterior, but what about the interior? You have slum landlord with properties that are outdated and they are not taken care of. How does that look? How do you incentivize them to take care of their property? Or sec Code Enforcement -- look you do it, but how it is done in East Tampa. Something needs to be done because of that. Because when development comes in, and a large percentage of sulphur springs, to any knowledge, are renters. How does that look? So we can have all these plans, and when they make a decision to sell, change or get rid of, we will be right back on the drawing board because a lot of properties will be that. With regards to developers and building, new properties and that price -- that value being large or increased. An appraiser. You will find appraisers will get a new house, go across that river, to pull the comps to get the value. Once that property is identified as a qualified sale, its on and the prices increase. It is the mayor's responsibility once you guys approve it. I am looking forward to council holding the mayor accountable. If you know that you are approving this, and you recognize that something is not being done either by the voices of the community coming up and saying, hey, something -- these things are not moving. Then it is up to you to -- you to have the responsibility to hold the mayor -- whoever the May I don't are is, the current mayor now, her, or the new mayor coming in. Hold them accountable. Bring them back up here and question them and keep drilling them. But there has to be a question between the two. Accountability on your part and the mayor's part. My biggest thing I wanted to just talk about and identify is something has to be done with the land owned of the apartment, of the rental community. A big factor of Sulphur Springs being -- remaining to be the beautiful community that it is. Thank you.

Thank you, that concludes -- do we have another one?

You didn't fall through the door. Well, one, great job, Ron and Evan, on the presentation. I think with anything that is going into anything new is great to have a plan. Always --

Shhh.. I think this is a great just first step for Sulphur Springs. Listening to your comments, I'm happy to hear that, you know, there is some kind of consensus amongst council members that petition know that Sulphur Springs needs some type of investment. We need to pay attention to Sulphur Springs. So I am happy to hear that. We have an opportunity to really do something really great here, to really show, like, you can put some investment in the community and we don't push people out. I think we have to go about that carefully, continuing to keep community at the forefront of it. I will tell you this is a Community that is very proud of where they live, that is very proud of the history of the Community, that wants to see this investment, that wants to see this part of the process and lean into that and empower those individuals and the community that they can be at the forefront. I think it was Councilman Carlson saying, you know, this is not, you know, a political play. This is a community. They can come and say we were part of this from the beginning to the end. And we are going to get to stay here and be here. So we really have an opportunity to do something great in this Community and really lead by example and show you can put investment into a community and still have people that live there. I live in Tampa Heights. So I have seen the growth. I have seen how it has changed. I worked in Nonprofit. I seen all of my families had to move because can't afford to live in the Community anymore. I have seen it happen. We have the opportunity to make sure that doesn't happen in Sulphur Springs. We are going to make sure that we are holding those accountable that are going to be responsible for making sure that we get this investment in the community, and then also working amongst ourselves and working together that we make sure that, again, we do not -- that we don't move -- push people out. I really feel like we have a great opportunity to show how it can be done in sulphur springs. And we can be a model for that. So I am very excited to see this put forward. And I am really excited to see the community involved in this process. The quote, they are experts. They live, work and play here. They know and they want to be involved. I am excited and looking forward to see how this pans out.

Thank you very much. Okay, that concludes public comment. Sorry, I forgot -- michael, I totally forgot about you. Mr. Randolph. Sorry. Good morning. I'm here to offer something, I believe, on the Sulphur Springs plan and to thank Mr. Adkins for his leadership in advancing the community. He represents what I call a new school next generation thinker. Someone who is at side of the Community Shareholders that is working to transform the Sulphur Springs community from the bottom up. I also want to recognize the city for its plan in developing this plan. As that plan focuses on improving public facilities, expanding amenities, and enhancing overall, the quality of life. And has potential to have new investments, it also raises the likelihood of gentrification and displacement if it is not managed correctly. Let's talk about socioeconomic culture. Sulphur Springs is one of the lowest poverty concentration community in Tampa. 45% of the residents are living below the poverty level. This is twice the rate for The City of Tampa. And it is a significant portion of the population is working and still unable to meet their needs. Talk of inequity strategy. To invest these challenges, we must use a social economic strategy displacement, reassessment tools that identify census tracts of residents cultures. And second, fill the critical gap in the Tampa housing, Tampa planning infrastructure. Unlike cities like Seattle and Portland, Tampa currently lacks a compulsive index of systematic mapping of displacement risk. This is an opportunity to not only revitalize a neighborhood, but to do so in a way that centers on dig net, inclusion, economic development opportunity. This along with the community ben get agreement and opportunity zone after a new opportunity for Sulphur Springs and the west Tampa cdc and the Community Development says ready to assist, not only in the development of this plan, but more to identify the funding sources to make it happen. Thank you.

As always, thank you, Michael. Appreciate your insight. Now that concludes public comment. We are going to move on to our last item of workshop, Item Number 4.

Good morning, council. Susan Johnson-Velez, Legal Department. Item Number 4 is staff presentation -- a presentation by the Downtown Partnership who council requested work with staff to come up with design guidelines for Large Format Digital Media within the Central Business District. Motion originated back in March of this year. In the ensuing months, I and Miss Feeley have worked with the Downtown Partnership staff. We are -- you know, in the middle of the process now to create those design standards and I am happy to introduce this morning, we have president and ceo of the Downtown Partnership Miss Harrison-bridges who will be here to give council an update where we are with the process and kind of timeline going forward in developing these standards.

Good morning. Good morning, council. My name is Kenyetta Hairston-bridges, president and ceo of the Tampa Downtown Partnership. I am joined by my colleague, Casey Bauer, our planning and research partner. On behalf of the partnership, we are happy to be here and thank you for allowing us to provide you with a brief update and will request to come back for a workshop after we get through our first and second stage. At the Tampa Downtown Partnership, our mission is to contribute to the vitality and growth of Downtown and by community stakeholders, innovation as well as nurturing Downtown neighborhood. And giving consideration of our mission, we think that the prep is well-positioned to lead conversations around the developments of large format digital signs in Tampa's Downtown. As you May recall, and as susan indicated, there were previous conversations at this body earlier this year around this topic. And during that time, our former Councilwoman Gwendolyn Henderson made a motion for the Downtown Partnership to develop comprehensive guidelines around large format. Following that motion, there was another motion at the CRA Board to contribute funding that would allow us to commission the design guidelines study. Since that time -- since that time, we had a selection committee that was stood up. And the selection committee reviewed three competitive proposals and Gensler was selected to support the future of the guidelines. Since that time, Gensler and the partnership has moved forward with a three-phase approach: a discovery, a define stage as well as a design stage. We initiated the discovery stage. During the discovery stage, we had the opportunity for preliminary research. We evaluated other cities and what we discovered that several cities have adopted these signage districts to enhance the urban experience in their core. Examples include Atlanta, San Antonio, Boston, and Downtown Denver. We also have began to do some research in terms of establishing areas of interest in Downtown. And we had the opportunity to homes several meetings, deferral discovery with private and nonprofit, included FDOT, t.h.e.a. City of Tampa and downtown establishing holders, special services committee and held some downtown site visits. From these meetings, we learned some early things around best practices. And looking at those best practices. We learned that not only are communities using this for community messaging, but it becomes a significant tool to reinvest in the community from is a community benefits standpoint, especially when you pair it with arts and quality investment and parks. A substantial tool for community reinvestment and will take happy when you are looking at the arts in a number of ways. Can take shape in murals and sculptures, increased lighting that increases safety and public land enhancements. But I think what is really important is some of the early takeaways we learned. I would like my colleague, casey, to just give an overview of the early takeaways that we learned. And then wrap it up with a timeline. Early takeaway we had from the discovery meetings, that fdot will have some play. Several state roads in downtown tampa, tampa, florida, jackson, kennedy, and nebraska on florida. Statute 4789 has limitations on outdoor off-site advertising the oversight of signs within 60 feet of those roads, transition times, as well as restrictions on full motion vehicles as well as sign spacing for 1,000 feet on state road. Key takeaway so far management and oversight of the signage is just as important as the look, feel and location of the signs. Again, we have been told this must look and feel like tampa. Determined that this will not be a times square-esque visual of how it appears to the general public. There are concerns over the proximity and orientation of residential and how we address future residential. Downtown has changed over the last 20 years from primarily office to over 20,000 residents, as well as we must consider the proximity to historic properties how enhanced light well safety and reflections of safety and operating hours that downtown is place where we live, work, play and learn and signs are generally best not to be on historic properties or vacant structures. Phase. As we move forward, the define phase. Look at how this will look in tampa's downtown. And I would like to provide an overview of our timeline. As I mentioned back in September, we connected off with gensler and kicked off the discovery stage. We held our first stakeholder meeting on October 23 to give stakeholder feedback, but as we go into the define stage, this stage will be really heavy in community input. First community input meeting or public meeting is on November 17 at the portico. Following that meeting, we will hold a series of smaller outreach sessions within the neighborhood within property owners and community groups, followed by a second community input meeting in December, which will take feedback from the first community meeting and provide revisions and report back out to the community. Following that, we will enter into the design stage where we will present findings and draft guidelines to City Staff and would, with city staff on that. Followed by a work. Recommendations, and the draft guidelines. Thank you, casey. Consistent with the timeline as well as the phases, our hope for the desired outcomes is that we will have a sign district, if it allows, reflects the community and the concepts and standards. There will be consensus around the signage district and preferred community placement. A ratio for placement and we come to consensus on the total number of installations to be allowed. With that I would like to end the presentation and open it up for any questions you May have.

Councilwoman Hurtak.

I was looking when we can put a workshop on.

Can you leave the last slide up?

I have a question of quite a few of these slides. First of all, if we can get a copy of the presentation, that would be great. So the first thing that I wrote down, because I did not hear you say it. You talked of "stakeholders." but the word "neighborhood" was not in there. I know you are doing public outreach, but you need to add the Neighborhood Associations to the list of stakeholders. Maybe did do that and I didn't understand that, but that is key. Reach out to each neighborhood association and have a meeting with each neighborhood in the Downtown Area. He know you know those neighborhoods, before I just want -- that will be key for me. Just a couple of things that I wrote down. When we are talking of vacant buildings, I think we need to have a percentage of the buildings that are occupied. I don't want somebody who a vacant building for 60 years to open appear 1,000-square-foot spot and same, ooh, it's occupied. So we need some guide -- guidance what "occupied" members. I would like to be invited to meeting. If you have the timeline, I want to have the invites as well. I have a second of the second part of this motion, which is a draft ordinance. Not your responsibility, but I will ask staff to talk about that today.

My question is, consensus. That is an interesting word. I don't think that is doable. I don't know -- it is a buzzword people like to throw around, but in this essentials, what are you looking for? What is consensus? What does that mean for you, consensus around signage and deferred opportunity placement. I know that the map that was previously discussed, it showed two separate areas. Showed the Convention Center Area, as well as the Cultural Center Area. The map we are looking at with the north end of the Downtown. I want to make sure that the outcomes are driven by the community and what they determine the area they would like to see the signs in.

That is all well put, I think. I think when you get down -- the Decision Point is four votes. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Council member Henderson made it very clear it was not -- we were not to have District. We were supposed to have all the Central Business District.

That was going to be my next statement.

I remember her very clearly.

I would not start with the paradigm of what -- of anything. I think you need to bring the highest and best product you can -- and justification. And that boils down to one or two district or one or more, whatever it looks like. I wouldn't necessarily make any assumptions going into this and your role in doing it. And, again, good luck with consensus. [laughter] I think -- I think getting a sense of -- you know, a temperature is probably when you are out there is it good, but then coming to the Approving Authorities, it is a majority. But the other thing on the vacant buildings, garages need to be called out as something as a specific use. You know, that is a different things. If we can put things under that. I don't know, is it? I don't know -- I just -- well, I think -- I think they are unique. The usage is so unique. And to call them out as an unique structure and what they do and what they are. Councilman Carlson, you had something?

Yeah, I wanted to say thank you for the work and the presentation. I am glad you are using the word "signs." there was a lot of misinformation at the beginning of this that there was billboard. I want to make clear to the public it is not billboards, it is signs. Until you are done with your study, we are not going to know exactly what it looks like. I mentioned I was in several countries over the summer. One of them in Dubai. The signs were everywhere. Every store had them. Every store in a mall had them. Every place had them. And it didn't look gaudy like times square. It was just another kind of sign. Like years ago, we had neon and had back-lit signs and now these l.e.d. Or whatever signs. So I think when you present maybe in the next round, some examples of the texture what it might look like and so the people can see what it looks -- because they think it can be a huge wall. And that it will look like a billboard, but to me, it would be more placemaking. I understand also that there May be certain government buildings or government restrictions that were restricted from going to different places. And I think that is the reason not to have districts, but if there is -- if there is an emphasize somewhere, we need to make sure that it is allowed. You mentioned "City Staff." City Staff have expertise in a lot of things. I don't know if we have an expert specifically in this area. If you were you -- because a request of City Council, not the administration. And I think the administration, to some extent disagrees, I think -- I would think of the staff as one of the public you should get input on, but not take direction. More important in my view how the public thinks, how the neighborhoods want the signs. Business owner. Those who are stakeholders in it. If you were benchmarking, look at other cities how this they have done it successfully and come back and show us who you it looks like and the regulations and everything. Also, I will say I heard hospitals of rumor about opposition kind of lurking in the grasses in the area and not coming out and talking about it. Whoever is opposed to it, come stand on the podium and tell us who you represent, and talk about your against it stand what up want in it. I would -- if anybody calls your office and the downtown, I hope you will tell them the same thing. If people are opposed to it, send e-mails to City Council specifically saying who they represent and why they are opposed to it. And come before city council to speak. Shouldn't happen in the shadows. It should be all public. Strong feeling from the members of public that somebody in The City gave an exception to the arena. And people that go to the arena for games, love it. People who feel like it is shining in their windows don't like it. I understand one of the buildings in water works will get the same thing. Want the legal department toe tell us how those agreements came about. If there was applicant, a rfp. What specifically was allowed. Are the rules being followed and who gave the authority. I don't remember as city council voting on that. I would like to see for full disclosure and transparency in the public who approved it, how, what, how. What are the regulations. Have the regulations been followed. Now that the precedent is set, we have folks come through the door asking for scenes. Not fair if someone gets a huge sign because a staff person approved it but anybody else who wants one has to go through a complicated process.

Council member Viera.

Thank you for your work. We talked about in and everything. I think this if done right can enhance Downtown. Councilman Hurtak said is important. We talked about this and I know you are doing this, but Downtown, talking to the folks that live there, that obviously you guys are doing. And I know I am preaching to the choir in that regard. I think it is good to -- we could talk about having this in specific areas. There is also an argument to spread it thin. And look for different areas for that. Having it in a specific area May ends up having more of a concentration that some community members wouldn't like out there and something we should explore obviously. I would also -- I hate to point someone out in the audience, but eventually want to see what Councilwoman-elect Naya Young thinks about this obviously being the council member for this area. But for me, again, if done properly in conjunction where neighborhoods, something that can enhance Downtown which is why y'all are on it. So, yeah, I think that it is, by and large, going in the right direction, but we have to direct that. In terms of other buildings having signs. I said that from the very beginning. I want to focus on what is ahead us. I support this. I don't want to get distracted on other things and other entities and so forth. I think that is going to distract us, and I fail to see the relevancy. I think we -- how shall I say it, we have a path ahead of us and if we go down that path, we could get something very good for Downtown. And that was my concern early on, which is we were kind of going off inform different collections. If we stay on the path we can enhance Downtown. Thank you.

Council member Maniscalco.

Thank you very much. Difference from the Downtown that was and the Downtown that is are the residence that live here. All the residents coming in. We have towers coming up and population growth over the last years. But Councilman Carlson triggered a word, and this is neon. I have a picture here, and I am happy to put it up, but this is Franklin Street in 1956, and Downtown was full of neon. Different time. Different era. Now they are these digital signs. But, I mean, from this color photograph, it was lit up at night. It was vibrant. Downtown was busy. Downtown is coming back to become -- it is that vibrant Downtown. And it is just going to keep getting better, but this time instead of just businesses. We have people. People that live there. People that are going to see this. But I think it can be done in good taste. Looking at the Central Business District. Not creating a concentrated area. Because times square is a concentrated area and you have overwhelming -- overwhelming stimulation, but if done right, this -- I think this can work. So that's it.

Council member Miranda.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe the first time this came up, I voted against it and Downtown became Downtown without neon so I still will vote against it. Downtown with a remarkable recovery and didn't have signs on every corner. That is what you will get. If you start it, you can't stop it. We had to work with the sign individuals. They had to give up four basic signs for one neon sign all around the Interstate, all around the City of Tampa. That took a long time to do six, seven, eight months to accomplish that. But it was done and I don't want that to come back. That's all. Thank you.

Council member.

Yes, I want to ask staff of the draft ordinance that was part of this motion.

Susan Johnson-Velez, Legal Department. Yes, ma'am.

Where Is It?

It is really difficult and impossible to create a draft ordinance without some design guidelines, without knowing kinds of what the parameters are and getting direction from council about who is going to control the permit willing of these things, what the standards are going to be for evaluating them. What the size limits are, lighting limits are, placement lives limits are. All those will need to be incorporated into any ordinance we bring to council. This is really the first part of the effort, but we can't draft an ordinance without these design guidelines. And since I am standing up here, I feel compelled to re-remind council and we talked about this in prior presentations to workshops to council, that signage is kind of a tricky thing, not just simply a land use issue and not just how these sometimes are going to look. Signs have context to them. First amendment to all signage and government has a very limited ability to control the content once we decide to allow signs. So I am going to keep reminding council at the risk of calling a broken record of someone on the dais who shall remain nameless.

Me.

Okay, well -- [laughter] I did want to remind council of that. Something we are taking a very careful look at as we move forward in the process of drafting and continuing to work with the Downtown partnership on the design guidelines and on the ordinance amendment that we will bring forward to council. I do want you all to continue to keep that in the forefront of your mind, because what we don't want is to have content appear as a result of this that some might find offensive or that we are not wanting to introduce into Downtown, but then not have the ability to -- to control that.

I thought that was the whole point of involving the Downtown Partnership?

The design guidelines are one part of that, but, again, determining how the program is going to be run, that is also an integral part of it and those are some of the things we are still researching and reviewing to incorporate those, but it might make a difference depending on who is going to control the signage, who will control permitting and so forth.

Okay. Well, I mean, I am -- I am going to put my preference out there. And testimonies what Councilman Henderson asked for that it encompass the entire Cbd. That -- he thought we all already agreed on that. So I will -- I mean --

Is there a motion?

If we have to make a motion again, I will make at that motion to end sure that it involves all the in Cbd.

Sorry, to the extent that Miss Hairston-bridges and Mr. Bauer have presented limitations where the Cbd is situated in terms of State Roads.

That is a subset of the clarifications.

Those limitations.

Those limitations will be dealt with at the time. But we are saying that, you know, she made a very good argument of including entire Cbd and we need to go forward with the --

A motion from Councilwoman Hurtak and second from Councilman Viera. All in favor, say aye. Opposed. Ayes have it unanimously.

Thank you. Also -- if we want to limit, we can talk about, like, a number. So, you know, 15 to 20 signs, something like that that we can then augment over time if council needs. So if we -- if instead of specific areas, we go for a number, that allows for the change in building that others have talked about here. Because Downtown will change. Some of those buildings May not have signs anymore. Some will because of the state roads. I know some state roads in some areas of Downtown, we are looking to acquire to make the city sands we are talking of Nebraska and certain areas. So that will evolve over time by not limiting to a specifics place and being able to work with whatever the parameters are. Because who knows what is state law will come up with next. That is something that I always think -- look at numbers I believe stead of that. And then -- I would love to see the guidelines. I know that you are looking at the guidelines. You mentioned the cities that you are looking at before. We do not need to reinvent a wheel. So let's look at what those have done and see how we can fit them to what we are trying to do.

That sounds very simple, but just about all the cities that were mentioned in the presentation, I know we had mentioned them in prior presentations. But each city has taken a slightly different approach, so not a uniform kind of one seize fits all to the way these are done. So we are taking a look and trying to figure out which -- which set-up is best for the City of Tampa.

I think those restrictions that you spoke about on the State Roads, I think they May be overly broad. Their intent billboard for Street-facing -- Street-facing type of signage.

Or highways.

Probably find exception -- I need one more clarification.

I am not done.

For the record, I need for to you come to the Podium and a it your name for the Clerk.

Very good, thank you.

I know more people want to talk although most of Ups have, I want to say that I would like for this to come back at the February 26 Kansas session just for an update if not to as close as possible, but what I would like to include in that is a one-page synopsis for each of the Cities that you are looking at. So just a little bit of background for us on what those stills are doing. And maybe some things like best practices. Something that you like from all of those as we are cobbling this together. I would actually -- I also like each Council Member to have a one-on-one meeting with you before that exception just so we kind of have -- so you all can do a little more deep dive with us on each of those cities. We should be very close. We should be able to have an ordinance by the time up come back -- even if not done, we should be able to have cobbled at the same time.

You want to ask for a draft ordinance to it be --

Miss Johnson-velez made a point that it might be difficult to do that. But as an update, where we are in this building process of building an ordinance. So not just -- so I have restate this. So my motion is for you all to come back in February 2026 including the -- the Cities that have those sign ordinances already, you know, points that we are looking at forced to ordinance, and providing one on one updates with council members one to two weeks prior.

Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from council member Maniscalco. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor, say aye. Opposed? The Ayes have it unanimously, thank you.

I did notice that you are not done until January 29 with your stuff, which is why we are asking for an Update. That. Is why the Update is important. We are not asking for -- we don't expect you to have it saul together but an Update where we are going, how far they have done. What types of stuff. I do appreciate it?

Say your name again. I want to add one clarification with the Study Area. I don't think we can see it on the screen.

We see it, but there you go. I don't want you guys to think we are limited to certain areas. This is the entire Study Area which is really the north end of downtown. There are restrictions and limitations and we will work with those limitations as Casey mentioned but this is the Study Area. To add to that and clarity, while we have the Study Area, we want to shake pure the community is heard. We had our stakeholder meeting on the 23rd, and our public meeting November 17, not the day after christmas even though I love being in Downtown Tampa, it will be in December 2025. we have that second public meeting in two weeks after the first public meeting after we make the revisions and we want the community to have an input what this area is. Didn't want to get too far ahead here not here and hear from the Neighborhood Associations from the residents and the stakeholder about where we believe they should be.

My parting comment will be on what others have touched on in that the option is not no signs. So I really want to make sure that the Public understands that. And what -- staff May disagree, you with, in my opinion, we already opened the bobs, and so now it is how to manage it. And so I think Councilman Carlson made that really good. That has already been opened. We need to figure out to you who manage this going forward and what the conversation needs to be about. I hope you set that conversation when start it with the public and that to me is very important. We get surveys, I don't want any of those. That is not an option because of what has been done prior.

Thank you. Councilman Carlson.

Two things. One is just to clarify, this is not my issue. Not something I would have brought up. It is not something that is at all on my priority list. But as a Collegial Body, we try to support each other. And the Council Member who was leading this effort as one of her top priorities passed away. We couldn't talk to her about this because it is under sunshine. My sense is that she was very frustrated for some reason about this. If anybody has background why she was frustrated, you can let me know now, but -- but there seems to be some frustration. He want everybody to know this is not something I am trying to do except in honor of her request -- and other requests we are moving forward. Second thing is, as we talked, there already has been a precedent set Bahamas one two that have approved. I would like to know what has been approved. As others are talking here I wonder. One that is up on the Arena and maybe that is an exception, as a Football Stadium and Hockey Arena could be others that we approved that we don't know about or the public doesn't know about, we can bring it to the surface. Could be no others approved. What I would request, if possible, to make a motion for a written report adjacent on February 26 from Legal that lists currently approved and active digital signs allowed in Downtown. Copies of the contract or approval documents, and a description of who and how they were approved. May be 20 in Downtown. I had this written down for the Clerk, but if we approve it. I'm not picking on them. I don't know how many were approved, what or why. If there is a process, we need to parallel.

I thought we had a Report about this. We already talked about it?

No.

We talked about it, but we haven't had a report of Signs that might be in the works or Signs -- because I would like to know how the ones on got passed. They kinds of did explain that. I would like to see the documents.

A second.

I seconded it.

A motion from Councilman Carlson. A second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

That done.

Anybody in the audience that pushes to speak -- wishes to speak to this item? Yes, ma'am. Not long. I just want to -- I think one thing that is important, you know, whether you are they of Tampa or District 5, you know every community has its character and, you know, what neighbors unique. So I think it is really important -- and again, I just have -- just like general questions about it. Because, again, something new. So you want to have the background only, you know, has it been done already? What was the outcome. How does it look. Like myself, I'm a visual person. I need to see and look what is the size, where is it? All of these things. I think its public would appreciate that seeing actual examples can help. Reading the verbiage teams can be a little bit difficult. And Councilman Hurtak, you said we opened that box and we need to find out how to manage it. The can of worms halls been opened but managing and making sure it doesn't get to a point where we are in a place five to ten years from now and we can't do anything about it. I, too, have questions of what goes on the signs. I think that is something also that we really -- council should just really, you know, look at. And also -- also -- its something else written down. I will just say that's it. Just overall, questions. Then the public -- I think it is going to be really, really important to hear from the public. Those workshops you are going to do are extremely important, and I would encourage and urge -- to make sure to get the word out so people actually attend and you actually can hear from people who are going to be -- you know the ones that will be looking at these signs every day. They live there. We just heard a quote from a community member. The community are the experts in where they live and we absolutely should hear from them and hear what they have to say so we can go and make a sound decision. So that's all.

Thank you, Miss Young. I already need to know what needs to be on the signs, it's the ALAN CLENDENIN dance.

Oh, My God.

Should be animated. Dancing Hands. Dancing Hands.

When you get a truck in front of City Hall, you know you made the big time.

Then I know I made it. Exactly. We have concluded our business for the day. We are now to New Business. Councilman Carlson.

Nothing.

Wow, Council Member Viera. How many commendations?

One here. In response to the written report on the K-Bar Ranch. I motion that Design Criteria -- May I go last and very view this. Mine is just to Mr. Shelby, are you going to be -- then I have to run and get my phone or a calendar.

Mr. Maniscalco.

One of My Colleagues is having a birthday, and I want to wish him a very happy birthday.

When will that be. Anyone? Happy early birthday, council member Miranda.

He is 100 -- 162. is that a good year? It was at Bc. 162 --

He is 102.

Charlie's birthday, Saturday.

Are you going to be 41 or 51. 85.

Council member Miranda.

A couple of things. Another bill coming in for. And I will turn it in and make a copy and give them a copy but I will turn it in. Total of $16.03.

I should run my line to your meter.

But the cost to get it is expensive.

Just a question for you. So my electric bills have gone up at least 20%. Do you -- even yours, do you find yours have gone up?

What happened -- in the back side, it tells you how much. They bought more from me than I bought from them. Some of that is number two. Number one, viera, I didn't in any way want to make fun of you. I will tell you why I said that. Back in the '60s, Dick Stone was very popular man running for Congress. United States Congress. And a week before we were losing by a couple of points, he was playing tennis and went to jump the net, fell and broke an arm, and we won in a landslide. So I am just letting you know that it does work.

There is not any doubt whether I am making fun of you, I am.

I thought nothing. You are good, I promise. If I -- whenever -- I have mine.

We have -- we have several things. Petition that oh you have yours. Are you ready.

If I May. Yes. Some in response to the written report we received on can, hadn't bar ranch. I make the following motion that the design criteria specifically state that -- and think of here for the Clerk. That with had quote, the Firm shall provide the K-Bar Ranch. Firm provides a design that considers conclusive and accessory play features as applicable. And I would request that this be included before the November 6 deadline to potential participating firms are aware. That is part of the motion. I would like for staff to verify the scope of the rfq to include a.d.a. And florida building codes and lastly request a high-level preliminary timeline for council to include the rfq deadline, completion, review and scoring of the Selection Committee. Notice of selection. And taking grand and construction complete for a written report on November 20, 2025.

Motion from Councilman Viera. Seconded from Council Member Maniscalco. All in favor, say aye. Opposed. Ayes have it. Before we lose city staff, I want to make sure everybody in the city is listening. Tomorrow afternoon, we are going to have a special gathering here at Tampa City Council at 3 p.m., where our city clerk will swear in our new council person, Naya Young. You are invited to look at the historic swearing in.

Number 17.

Number 17. sitting right next to me. A rose surrounded by two thorns -- not the way it goes -- a thorn surround by two roses. [laughter] no birthday wishes for me. We have some more serious business. Mr. Shelby, would you like to --

Yes, if I can. Council, I had and opportunity to speak with most of you. Unfortunately, not all of you. But as you know, you have a special called workshop scheduled for Tuesday morning from 9 to noon. And unfortunately, due to a death in our family, my wife and I will be attending the funeral out of state on Tuesday morning. So my apologies to council. You have several options. And just to reminds you and the public that the purpose of this special discussion meeting was top discuss the -- the goals, objectives and scope of the -- of the City of Tampa Charter Review Advisory Committee along with directives and guidelines for -- and adopting of the timeline for the action of ballot language to make it on to the ballot in the March 2, 2027 municipal election. So council, I am open to discuss it with you now. I am glad it is better now that you are here opposed to tonight when it might be let. But the options is the way I see it are the following. You can continue this. Now the -- a reminder, this special called workshop for you as the council in the sunshine to be able to amongst yourselves to provide direction with a draft resolution that memorializes this for effort operation of that board. If you do continue to want to have it, certainly it will be recorded and minutes will be taken. And if you run the meeting with decision points, we I can provide to the Chair's office perhaps between now and Tuesday before he leave for -- to leave town. You can continue to do that and I can say based on that formulation of the draft, if I have any questions, u can then work with the Chair and his legislative aide. And Miss Copesky has been very helpful to come back with a draft. And then still have it set on November 20 on the tentative guideline. Or we can reset it, and I believe you can check your calendars but might be a conflict. Rooms are available. The sister city room is available. Next week, next Tuesday is out because city council is not present. It is a holiday. City hall is closed for veterans day. The sister cities room is available but May be conflicts and see if everybody is available. Input of everybody includes the logistics and asset management, the mayor's office and the city attorney are also -- you know it is important to get their input as well. Some I am -- again, my apologies. However council wants to coordinate that, I will do whatever I can to accommodate.

What about Monday afternoon? 1 p.m. on Monday 10.

Could everybody check their calendars?

Lisa, available Monday 10th at 1:00?

Council member Miranda, I would want him to be Here.

If Luis is available. Councilwoman-elect, are you available?

Monday November 10 at what time.

1 p.m. after lunch.

Back there 1 p.m. it won't go as late as 4.

Sam if you are listening, 1 p.m.

Sister cities, if it is available. I have to know where it is to notice it.

We will tell everybody.

Motion to reschedule.

To reschedule the charter discussion from November 5 -- 4th to November 10, Monday, 1 p.m., City Hall and pending verification if it is available the Sister Cities Room.

A motion from council member Maniscalco. Seconded from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, say aye. Opposed.

Thank you, again.

That was relatively painless. I thought it would be much worse. I have some -- some grievances, yes. Thank you. Well --

I recognize you for your grievances.

I know we talked about this before, and one director that will not be happy with me, oh, well. So I have been hold this in for a while and Communications Department. And -- you know, I just have been watching the communication feed. And I said -- when I first came in into office, I kind of pushed back on some things that one of our fellow council persons used to say about it. And it is like -- we are one city. We are one city. We are one city. I always push back. We are one city. Why do we need to do this and that because we are one city. It has become more and more apparent that is not necessarily always the truth and never as apparent. While I am appreciative getting the invitations to participate and attend events, there is a very little effort in the communication department to include us in distribution of this information. It came to light in the personal stuff and I didn't bring it at the time because it was self-serving to say I was part of a process. And they actually went to great effort to crop me out of the picture and not include any of my remarks. But then -- just this week at the west riverwalk project, the same thing. Our council persons were there. And there was a lot of promotion and stuff and it was -- and City Council was not included. And -- and honestly, that project considering when we are not City Council, we are Cra. This board is the same Cra. We are also consequential about it. See it across the board. And I find it very -- those of you listening in the administration and part of department. Shame on you. One city. This is 50% of the government. We are the legislative body of The City of government. I am going to ask y'all. And then I am going to demand it and if we have -- whatever -- so you -- you need to start a tampa City Council social media page and maintain that in an appropriate way so the accomplishments in The City of tampa, people that are in The City of tampa understand the work of this tampa council and now -- how much we accomplish as well. Well, we don't have an entire administration working for us. We do a lot work and committed to it. I am proud of the people I am sitting on the dais with and proud of the agenda items. And we do an awful lot of stuff and the communication department manages the mayor's page and do an extraordinary good job. If you watch social media, you wouldn't think Tampa City council does shit because how it is directed.

How about our own Communications Team?

Maybe that is what it will take. Don't let us get there. Work with us and fix this probably.

Council member Carlson.

Shouldn't be like that. You know I am in the communication business. You know, I -- the administration likes to throw out words like conspiracy theorists and stuff like that. I have a lot of facts. I have public records. I have witnesses where the Communication Department has actively put opposition research before editors. Trash talked me at community meetings within city hours and recommending the city. Great people who work in the Communication Department. The other excuse is they are criticizing the department. Either coming from the Director or the Chief of Staff and from the neighbor Mayor. When I appealed to all three of them, the Mayor pretty much says I don't care. And she won't change it, and I pleaded to all of to change it. It is against the law to use city money for political purposes. And this is third world stuff. I lived in Singapore, essentially a dictatorship there. When they control the media take pictures of opposition party mex and maybe them look back and take pictures of the people involved and make them look good. Look at the journal about the south howard. Said the City Council is no longer setting stormwater is a priority. Only thing things are happening on stormwater. We set it and they are back channeling, and I don't have time to follow up. When we went to the Straz Center opening which is 100% cra. 100% cra. We had no role and no place to sit. Not invited to turn chairs. Not invited to say anything and the Mayor had the front stage. She openly argued and lobbied against it. And the picture of me. I hurt my back -- as I am standing up when Henderson mentioned my name. When she mentioned our names, I stood up and grimaced. They took a picture of me with a grimace on the face and posted it online. One of the staff members who I think is outstanding. Not the staff. I came up with the staff member answers great recommendation handed out water, drinks and good to what thinks. And all the pictures he took one of my pictures showed up. They play favorites. They like you and this is third-world crap. This is not what the taxpayers of this community want. And should not be that we should get our own, people because they are misleading the public and representing the presentation. Mayor -- madam mayor you need to stand up and change it. Unacceptable and undemocratic and unamerican.

I have to say the croc was quite something. Anybody else? Did you want to make a motion.

Just a follow-up. I don't like it. We are one city, and we should go together. It works both ways. Do better. This is not the first time I had these conversations privately multiple times just so you guys know. I had conversations. I brought these issues time and time again and things I was involved in and didn't want to be charitably too self-serving. I was unable to make it to event at the West Riverwalk and two of my fellow council person' there were and fell what it as disservice. Just to make a point. We invite you and you get to speak. That ain't enough I can speak in the woods and if nobody hears me talk, it doesn't matter. As to be part of that motion two equal branches of government, 50%.

I don't know who else was there. Looking at pictures, only Guido in pictures.

I gave a speech that was great.

From the public perspective, it looks political. From a CRA perspective, if Cra funds are used, especially in the case of Straz, where it is 100% CRA. We have got to change that dynamic. Coming up with proposed changes to the Cra agreement because any other nonprofit or organization will not allow another -- a partner group to run over them like that.

When I was Cra Chair, I definitely laid to work on that.

Appropriate conversation because we are going into the charter review thing. So maybe there are issues in this that they can deal with the charter because you know -- if not hook by crook. And, of course, again as we go into the budget season. Let's not fort.

Move to receive and file.

Sorry to interrupt. Clerk has been wonderfully kind and efficient and confirmed that the Sister Cities room is available from 1 to 4 p.m. on November 10, Tuesday. If you can add that to the motion and April mend.

Would like to reschedule the charter discussion that was going to be had November 4 to November 10 from 1 to 4 p.m. in the Sister Cities Room.

A special called workshop.

Special called workshop.

Any of the administration listening to me and come back whatever they want to say about that issue. Don't. Just do better.

The last bs memo that the Mayor put out come back and threatening me of intimidating -- create sizing employee os are something like that. I hired an attorney. If she does it again, I am going to sue her. You cannot slander people and say things that aren't true. You have to -- if you want -- and don't do -- if the Mayor wants to make a statement, come here in front of the public and face the public like we do. Don't send little memos like that so someone can pull public records.

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